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Revision as of 08:54, 16 September 2020

Ben Winkie, a "circumsexual" blogger, masturbating over a circumstraint.[1]

A circumfetishist is someone who has a sexual fixation for the circumcised penis, and/or derives sexual gratification from the act of circumcision itself [2] (see apotemnophilia and acrotomophilia). Often their sexual fantasy involves infants.[1][3] Circumfetishism often involves fantasies of power and control, which may be ritualistically acted out. Circumfetishists have at least one website[4] and three clubs.[5] The Circlist website links to a discussion group.

Circlist has always permitted, and will continue to permit, circumcision related fetish/sexual postings/materials, straight, gay or otherwise. Individuals may use Circlist to make contact with one another, including for sexual purposes. The list is not just a medical interest list, but rather all things circumcision, including circ-fetish, sexual info, medical info and a place to meet up with fellow circumcision enthusiasts and proponents.
– Ben Winkie. (2005, June) (International Circumsexual Symposium, Washington, D.C.)[6]
Interests: Being masturbated whilst circumcision is being discussed. Watching circumcisions with others. Etc.
– Ben Winkie (Weblog)[7]
Interests: circumcision mood music
– Ben Winkie (Weblog)[7]

The extent of circumfetishism among doctors and others who perform infant circumcisions is unknown.[8]

Is Circumfetishist an ad hominem attack?

In discussions, some people who can be classified as circumfetishists criticize that the term is an insult to their person as an ad hominem attack. Is the term circumfetishist in fact an insult?

Insult is the infringement of another human's honor by whatsoever means of expression, in particular an offensive statement or gesture communicated, and is a crime in some countries. The distinction between insult and defamation is that, from a focussing point of view, the former ascribes a value whereas the latter attributes or imputes a fact.[9]

Circumfetishist is a descriptive term for a person with an obvious fixation on circumcision as described above. So it cannot be an insult. Can it be a defamation then? This depends on what the person has done, said or written in this context. If a person has obviously and objectively understandable acted in a way which is consistent with the above fetish description, it is obvious that the attribute is a fact, not a defamation. If it can be shown that the person had never acted in such a way that the above description of circumcision fetish fits the actions, it would be defamation as a false assertion of fact to assign the term circumfetishist to that person.

Some of the persons attributed this way reply by trying to insult the discussion partner as foreskin fetishist. Is that a valid insult or defamation?

This conflict mostly occurs in circumcision debates where circumcision proponents and opponents of circumcision collide. So one can presume that the person attributed as a foreskin fetishist is in fact an intactivist. By definition, intactivists are human rights activists who stand up and speak up for the human rights of helpless children who cannot defend themselves against medically not indicated genital mutilation. This dilemma is primarily about the inalienable human rights of defenseless children. The body parts that are to be damaged or removed during genital mutilation are only of secondary importance. Since intactivists basically want to protect all children from genital mutilation, it is not only about the foreskin, but also about parts of the female genitalia or intersex genitals.

Since intactivists also want to prevent other medically not indicated physical injuries in children, such as tattoos or piercings, the third line is not about the male foreskin, but about other parts of the body.

In the end, it can be stated that intactivists are not foreskin fetishists, but at most human rights fetishists, because they do not want to see that children should not have the same human rights as adults. However, since the definition of fetish does not include standing up for human rights, intactivists cannot be foreskin fetishists. Therefore, the term foreskin fetishist is not an insult, but simply nonsense that you can endure relaxed.

Circumfetish groups

For those who can stomach it, the comments and behaviours of proponents of circumcision would make a fruitful area of psychological study.[10] They fully bear out Woodmansey's comment that "Something must be done to help the parents who show such an irrational need...."[11] It would seem wholly plausible that inflicting circumcision on a boy provides some circumcisers and onlookers with a sexual thrill. Groups such as the Acorn Society, the Gilgal Society, and the Cutting Club openly admit to a morbid fascination with circumcision to the point of sado-masochistic fetish. These groups advertise that doctors are among their members. There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions. Furthermore, there are anecdotal accounts of doctors becoming sexually aroused when circumcising boys.[12] Circumcision certainly provides an opportunity not only to handle boys' penises without the condemnation that a sexual assault (in the sense that phrase is normally used) would attract, but also the opportunity to exercise power over another human being, to alter the penis and to control it and the boy's future sexual life.[13]

Historical circumfetishism

Mutilating the genitals of others has a deep sexual motive. This motive combined with the urge to control people when, in the nineteenth century, doctors first introduced "medicalised" circumcision in the vain attempt to prevent masturbation.[14][15]

Quotes

A Circlist conversation

FROM: CircumcisR@hotmail...
TO: Jake H. Waskett (at Circlist Yahoo Group)

Some of us who do get erotic and sexual gratification out of not only the finished product, but also the procedure itself. (Yahoo Circlist. Message #27370, 2003 Nov.)
FROM: stevemonaco@hotmail...
TO: Jake H. Waskett (at Circlist Yahoo Group)

I'm with Circumcisr on this one. Having a clipt disk is important, but how you got it is also of interest. (Yahoo Circlist. Message #27373, 2003 Nov.)
FROM: Vintrest@yahoo... (John S.)
TO: Jake H. Waskett (at Circlist Yahoo Group)

As for the fact that some people find the rite of circumcision erotic, some do. (Yahoo Circlist. Message #27399, 2003 Nov.)

Video

Doctor Morris L. Sorrells M.D. discusses the the sexual motives of those who circumcise, the perversion of circumfetish, doing harm to the genitals of others for a sexual thrill.

See also

External links

References

  1. a b REFweb Winkie, Ben (8 April 2011). The sight of a true Circumsexual? (archive URL), The Little Snip, Nibblebit. Retrieved 13 September 2020. Archive: File:Thelittlesnip-circumsexual.pdf
  2. Porn link! - REFweb Circumsexuals, xTube. Retrieved 18 April 2011.
  3. REFweb (11 March 2011). Masturbate during a bris (archive URL). Retrieved 13 September 2020.
  4. Circlist
  5. Gilgal Society, Acorn Society, Cutting Club
  6. http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary2.html
  7. a b REFweb (13 April 2012). NibbleBit.com Welcome (archive URL). Retrieved 13 September 2020.
  8. REFweb Frequently Used Expressions, Circumstitions. Retrieved 8 March 2011.
  9. REFweb Insult (legal), Wikipedia. Retrieved 13 September 2020.
  10. For a mild introduction to the world of fetish circumcision and the recruitment of teenage boys for such purposes by the Gilgal Society under the guise of "medical advice," see: International Circumcision Information Reference Centre
  11. Woodmansey AC. Circumcision. British Medical Journal 1965;2:419.
  12. Foley JM. The unkindest cut of all. Fact 1966;3(4):2-9.(July 1966).
  13. Christopher P Price. Male Non-therapeutic circumcision: The Legal and Ethical Issues. In Male and Female Circumcision, Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (Denniston GC, Hodges FM and Milos MF eds.) New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 1999: 425-454.
  14. Moses MJ. The value of circumcision as a hygienic and therapeutic measure. New York Medical Journal 1871;14:368-74.
  15. REFjournal Spratling, E.J.. Masturbation in the adult. Medical Record. 1895; 24: 442-443.