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	== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==		== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==
	This behavior is a normal response from people who have become aware that they too were victims of early childhood [[circumcision]] and are now trying to resolve the [[Collective Cognitive Dissonance\|cognitive dissonance]] and dilemma. Because Gross is a Jewish American man, it is obvious that he is [[circumcised]] himself - probably on his 8th day of life as [[Jewish circumcision\|usual in Judaism]]. He doesn't like this obvious link to be seen.<ref name="IW"/> A cognitive dissonance can develop from the dilemma that you believe that your parents always love you and won't harm you in any way, but then you get information that they had someone remove an [[intact]], healthy, most sensitive and protecting part from your most private parts when you were a newborn, the [[foreskin]].		This behavior is a normal response from people who have become aware that they too were victims of early childhood [[circumcision]] and are now trying to resolve the [[Collective Cognitive Dissonance\|cognitive dissonance]] and dilemma. Because Gross is a Jewish American man, it is obvious that he is [[circumcised]] himself — probably on his 8th day of life as [[Jewish circumcision\|usual in Judaism]]. He doesn't like this obvious link to be seen.<ref name="IW"/> A cognitive dissonance can develop from the dilemma that you believe that your parents always love you and won't harm you in any way, but then you get information that they had someone remove an [[intact]], healthy, most sensitive and protecting part from your most private parts when you were a newborn, the [[foreskin]].

	One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{VanderKolkBA 1989}}</ref>		One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{VanderKolkBA 1989}}</ref>

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	* [[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]		* [[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]
	* [[Trauma]]		* [[Trauma]]
			* [[United States of America]]
	{{LINKS}}		{{LINKS}}
	* {{URL-FBprofile\|andrew.gross\|2021-06-08}}		* {{URL-FBprofile\|andrew.gross\|2021-06-08}}

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	=== Their "mission" ===		=== Their "mission" ===
	{{Citation		{{Citation
	\|Text=We are a group of concerned citizens who have first hand experience dealing with the {{Highlighting\|crazy online world of anti-circumcision activism}}. We are neither trying to promote circumcision nor discourage it, but we definitely want to promote good information for parents and other interested people with regards to [[RIC\| routine infant circumcision]].<br>We feel someone needs to stand up for [[informed consent]] and {{Highlighting\|parental choice when it comes to circumcision}}. Someone also needs to stand up against the bullying and hate speech by anti-circumcision fanatics! Enough is enough!		\|Text=We are a group of concerned citizens who have first hand experience dealing with the {{Highlighting\|crazy online world of anti-circumcision activism}}. We are neither trying to promote circumcision nor discourage it, but we definitely want to promote good information for parents and other interested people with regards to [[RIC\| routine infant circumcision]].<ref>Circumcision has not been a "routine" procedure since the courts started to require [[informed consent]] more than 40 years ago.</ref><br>We feel someone needs to stand up for [[informed consent]] and {{Highlighting\|parental choice when it comes to circumcision}}. Someone also needs to stand up against the bullying and hate speech by anti-circumcision fanatics! Enough is enough!
	\|Author=Circumcision Choice		\|Author=Circumcision Choice
	\|ref=<ref>{{REFweb		\|ref=<ref>{{REFweb

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	* [[Judaism]]		* [[Judaism]]
	* [[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]		* [[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]
			* [[Trauma]]
	{{LINKS}}		{{LINKS}}
	* {{URL-FBprofile\|andrew.gross\|2021-06-08}}		* {{URL-FBprofile\|andrew.gross\|2021-06-08}}

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 This behavior is a normal response from people who have become aware that they too were victims of early childhood [[circumcision]] and are now trying to resolve the [[Collective Cognitive Dissonance|cognitive dissonance]] and dilemma. Because Gross is a Jewish American man, it is obvious that he is [[circumcised]] himself - probably on his 8th day of life as [[Jewish circumcision|usual in Judaism]]. He doesn't like this obvious link to be seen.<ref name="IW"/> A cognitive dissonance can develop from the dilemma that you believe that your parents always love you and won't harm you in any way, but then you get information that they had someone remove an [[intact]], healthy, most sensitive and protecting part from your most private parts when you were a newborn, the [[foreskin]].
-One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{REFjournal
+One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{VanderKolkBA 1989}}</ref>
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	One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{REFjournal		One suspects that he is trying to encourage repeating the trauma of [[circumcision]] on others.<ref name="vanderkolk1989">{{REFjournal
	\|last=van der Kolk		\|last=van der Kolk
	\|first=~~Bessell~~		\|first=Bessel A.
	\|init=		\|init=BA
	\|author-link=		\|author-link=Bessel van der Kolk
	\|etal=no		\|etal=no
	\|title=The compulsion to repeat the trauma: re-enactment, revictimization, and masochism		\|title=The compulsion to repeat the trauma: re-enactment, revictimization, and masochism

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	\|date=2022-09-03		\|date=2022-09-03
	\|accessdate=2022-09-04		\|accessdate=2022-09-04
	}}</ref> His recent statement shows very nicely that Gross really doesn't understand the range of [[human rights]] and that he doesn't care about children's rights at all. Bodily integrity is a human right and ~~there~~ parental rights don't cover the right to cut off intact body parts from children without any urgent medical indication.		}}</ref> His recent statement shows very nicely that Gross really doesn't understand the range of [[human rights]] and that he doesn't care about children's rights at all. Bodily integrity is a human right and the parental rights don't cover the right to cut off intact body parts from children without any urgent medical indication.

	== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==		== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==

WikiAdmin: /* No choice for human rights violations */ "foreskin is not a human right"

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No choice for human rights violations: "foreskin is not a human right"

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	=== No choice for human rights violations ===		=== No choice for human rights violations ===
	The approach of Gross and Circumcision Choice that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy [[foreskin]] amputated without [[medical indication]] for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit [[human rights]] abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on the Circumcision Choice website should be viewed ~~as fundamentally critical~~, if not as a call for human rights violations.		The approach of Gross and Circumcision Choice that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy [[foreskin]] amputated without [[medical indication]] for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit [[human rights]] abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on the Circumcision Choice website should be viewed with suspicion, if not as a call for human rights violations.

	[[Peter W. Adler\|Adler]] (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise [[Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning]]: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent [[medical indication]].		[[Peter W. Adler\|Adler]] (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise [[Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning]]: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent [[medical indication]].

			Gross strictly believes: "Circumcision is not a human rights violation because foreskin is not a human right."<ref>{{REFweb
			\|url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki4
			\|title=German intactivist pretends to be an American law expert
			\|pubisher=Circumcision Choice
			\|date=2022-09-03
			\|accessdate=2022-09-04
			}}</ref> His recent statement shows very nicely that Gross really doesn't understand the range of [[human rights]] and that he doesn't care about children's rights at all. Bodily integrity is a human right and there parental rights don't cover the right to cut off intact body parts from children without any urgent medical indication.

	== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==		== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==

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	This "mission" clearly shows that he absolutely believes in a [[Parental rights\|parental right]] of choice for genital [[mutilation]] of minors without any medical indication. This way he totally ignores the parental duty to protect children from harm. Circumcision promoters like him often totally ignore the [[human rights]] of the child. He even ignores the physical fact that "circumcision" aka [[foreskin]] [[amputation]] is always genital [[mutilation]] by definition.<ref name="IW">{{REFweb		This "mission" clearly shows that he absolutely believes in a [[Parental rights\|parental right]] of choice for genital [[mutilation]] of minors without any [[medical indication]]. This way he totally ignores the parental duty to protect children from harm. Circumcision promoters like him often totally ignore the [[human rights]] of the child. He even ignores the physical fact that "circumcision" aka [[foreskin]] [[amputation]] is always genital [[mutilation]] by definition.<ref name="IW">{{REFweb
	\|url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki2		\|url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki2
	\|title=IntactWiki creates a page dedicated to me		\|title=IntactWiki creates a page dedicated to me
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	=== No choice for human rights violations ===		=== No choice for human rights violations ===
	The approach of Gross and Circumcision Choice that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy [[foreskin]] amputated without medical indication for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit [[human rights]] abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on the Circumcision Choice website should be viewed as fundamentally critical, if not as a call for human rights violations.		The approach of Gross and Circumcision Choice that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy [[foreskin]] amputated without [[medical indication]] for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit [[human rights]] abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on the Circumcision Choice website should be viewed as fundamentally critical, if not as a call for human rights violations.

	[[Peter W. Adler\|Adler]] (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise [[Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning]]: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent medical indication.		[[Peter W. Adler\|Adler]] (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise [[Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning]]: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent [[medical indication]].

	== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==		== Guessed reasons for his engagement ==

WikiAdmin: SEEALSO

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SEEALSO

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	}}</ref>		}}</ref>

	{{SEEALSO}}		{{SEEALSO}}
	*[[Judaism]]		* [[Circumcision advocate]]
	*[[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]		* [[Judaism]]
			* [[Psychological issues of male circumcision]]

	{{LINKS}}		{{LINKS}}