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	'''~~Barbara Kay~~''' has generalized and exaggerated female circumcision and the societies and religions that practice it, while praising male [[circumcision]] for having been practiced for "thousands of years." She is an advocate for circumcision, particularly infant circumcision, and regularly promotes it in her articles in the ''National Post''. In her article, she decried [[FGM]], saying it is done "with the specific intention of eliminating the capacity for sexual pleasure, and rightly considered a criminal action" and contrasted it with [[MGM]] (despite admitting male circumcision also leads to "diminished pleasure").<ref>{{REFnews		Canadian Jewish journalist '''{{FULLPAGENAME}}''' has generalized and exaggerated female circumcision and the societies and religions that practice it, while praising male [[circumcision]] for having been practiced for "thousands of years." She is an advocate for circumcision, particularly infant circumcision, and regularly promotes it in her articles in the ''National Post''. In her article, she decried [[FGM]], saying it is done "with the specific intention of eliminating the capacity for sexual pleasure, and rightly considered a criminal action" and contrasted it with [[MGM]] (despite admitting male circumcision also leads to "diminished pleasure").<ref>{{REFnews
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	== National Post Article ==		== National Post Article ==

	In a [http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/24/barbara-kay-on-circumcision-a-painless-live-saving-surgery/ ~~recent~~ article] in Canada's ''National Post'', Kay describes male circumcision as being "painless," "life-saving" and "taking only 30 seconds" (she shortens this to ten seconds in a live debate with Jackson Doughart<ref name='Adler 2011-02-22'>{{REFweb		In a [http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/24/barbara-kay-on-circumcision-a-painless-live-saving-surgery/ 2011 article] in Canada's ''National Post'', Kay describes male circumcision as being "painless," "life-saving" and "taking only 30 seconds" (she shortens this to ten seconds in a live debate with Jackson Doughart<ref name='Adler 2011-02-22'>{{REFweb
	\|quote=The pain lasts only ten seconds...		\|quote=The pain lasts only ten seconds...
	\|url=http://www.charlesadler.com/2011/01/barbara-kay-and-jackson-doughart-on-circumcision.html		\|url=http://www.charlesadler.com/2011/01/barbara-kay-and-jackson-doughart-on-circumcision.html
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	\|Title=Barbara Kay on circumcision: ''A painless, live-saving surgery''		\|Title=Barbara Kay on circumcision: ''A painless, live-saving surgery''
	\|Text='Mutilation' is a disgusting word to apply to the [[excision]] of a non-essential bacteria trap, nearly painless and instantly forgotten (those who claim otherwise are fantasizing; no credible study demonstrates lasting effects). Unlike ordinary [[circumcised]] men, [[FGM]] victims know they have been mutilated in the real sense of the word. Feminists constantly remind us that men have all the power. If true, how is it that after so many thousands of years — coincidentally up to the advent of the sexual revolution and the privileging of erotic freedom over ethical mating — so many millions of intelligent and even powerful Jewish and Muslim males never spoke up about their alleged victimhood?		\|Text='[[Mutilation]]' is a disgusting word to apply to the [[excision]] of a non-essential bacteria trap, nearly painless and instantly forgotten (those who claim otherwise are fantasizing; no credible study demonstrates lasting effects). Unlike ordinary [[circumcised]] men, [[FGM]] victims know they have been mutilated in the real sense of the word. Feminists constantly remind us that men have all the power. If true, how is it that after so many thousands of years — coincidentally up to the advent of the sexual revolution and the privileging of erotic freedom over ethical mating — so many millions of intelligent and even powerful Jewish and Muslim males never spoke up about their alleged victimhood?

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	\|Text=8:08: The [[pain]] lasts only ten seconds.		\|Text=8:08: The [[pain]] lasts only ten seconds.

	8:50: What if there were vaccinations against something that would only happen in adulthood, but if you waited 'till adulthood to have that vaccination, it would be a horribly painful procedure? Would it not be kinder to give the vaccination in childhood when there's no complications and the pain last only ten seconds?<br>		8:50: What if there were vaccinations against something that would only happen in adulthood, but if you waited 'till adulthood to have that vaccination, it would be a horribly painful procedure? Would it not be kinder to give the vaccination in childhood when there's no complications and the [[pain]] last only ten seconds?<br>
	<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the pain of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>		<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the [[pain]] of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>

	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

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	22:09: Parents do decide things for their children on the basis of protecting them from future negative happenings.		22:09: Parents do decide things for their children on the basis of protecting them from future negative happenings.

	22:46: With the foreskin you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.		22:46: With the [[foreskin]] you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.

	24:03: The foreskin is a [[Immunological and protective function of the foreskin\| trap]] for bacteria.		24:03: The [[foreskin]] is a [[Immunological and protective function of the foreskin\| trap]] for bacteria.

	27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.		27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.
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	{{SEEALSO}}		{{SEEALSO}}
	* [[Neil Pollock]] -- Kay uses quotes by Pollock.		* [[Neil Pollock]] — Kay uses quotes by Pollock.
	* [[Bias]] -- Learn how religion and culture effects one's views on [[circumcision]].		* [[Bias]] — Learn how religion and culture effects one's views on [[circumcision]].
	* [[Canada]]		* [[Canada]]
	{{LINKS}}		{{LINKS}}

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	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

	12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a [[mohel]], who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by [[Risks and complications\| complications]], if you mean perhaps an inflammation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the [[~~deaths~~\| morbidity]] rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that [[Adolescent and adult circumcision\| adult circumcision]] have higher complications.		12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a [[mohel]], who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by [[Risks and complications\| complications]], if you mean perhaps an inflammation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the [[death\| morbidity]] rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that [[Adolescent and adult circumcision\| adult circumcision]] have higher complications.

	21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].		21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].

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	\|Text=8:08: The pain lasts only ten seconds.		\|Text=8:08: The [[pain]] lasts only ten seconds.

	8:50: What if there were vaccinations against something that would only happen in adulthood, but if you waited 'till adulthood to have that vaccination, it would be a horribly painful procedure? Would it not be kinder to give the vaccination in childhood when there's no complications and the pain last only ten seconds?<br>		8:50: What if there were vaccinations against something that would only happen in adulthood, but if you waited 'till adulthood to have that vaccination, it would be a horribly painful procedure? Would it not be kinder to give the vaccination in childhood when there's no complications and the pain last only ten seconds?<br>

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	== National Post Article ==		== National Post Article ==

	In a [http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/24/barbara-kay-on-circumcision-a-painless-live-saving-surgery/ recent article] in Canada's National Post, Kay describes male circumcision as being "painless," "life-saving" and "taking only 30 seconds" (she shortens this to ten seconds in a live debate with Jackson Doughart<ref name='Adler 2011-02-22'>{{REFweb		In a [http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/24/barbara-kay-on-circumcision-a-painless-live-saving-surgery/ recent article] in Canada's ''National Post'', Kay describes male circumcision as being "painless," "life-saving" and "taking only 30 seconds" (she shortens this to ten seconds in a live debate with Jackson Doughart<ref name='Adler 2011-02-22'>{{REFweb
	\|quote=The pain lasts only ten seconds...		\|quote=The pain lasts only ten seconds...
	\|url=http://www.charlesadler.com/2011/01/barbara-kay-and-jackson-doughart-on-circumcision.html		\|url=http://www.charlesadler.com/2011/01/barbara-kay-and-jackson-doughart-on-circumcision.html
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	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

	12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a [[mohel]], who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by [[Risks and complications\| complications]], if you mean perhaps an inflammation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.		12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a [[mohel]], who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by [[Risks and complications\| complications]], if you mean perhaps an inflammation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the [[deaths\| morbidity]] rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that [[Adolescent and adult circumcision\| adult circumcision]] have higher complications.

	21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].		21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].
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	22:46: With the foreskin you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.		22:46: With the foreskin you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.

	24:03: The [[foreskin]] ~~is a trap~~ for bacteria.		24:03: The foreskin is a [[Immunological and protective function of the foreskin\| trap]] for bacteria.

	27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.		27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.

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	{{SEEALSO}}		{{SEEALSO}}
	* [[Neil Pollock]] -- Kay uses quotes by Pollock.		* [[Neil Pollock]] -- Kay uses quotes by Pollock.
	* [[Bias]] -- Learn how religion and culture effects one's views on [[~~circumcisi~~.		* [[Bias]] -- Learn how religion and culture effects one's views on [[circumcision]].
	* [[Canada]]		* [[Canada]]
	{{LINKS}}		{{LINKS}}

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	'''Barbara Kay''' has generalized and exaggerated female circumcision and the societies and religions that practice it, while praising male circumcision for having been practiced for "thousands of years." She is an advocate for circumcision, particularly infant circumcision, and regularly promotes it in her articles on the National Post. In her article, she decried FGM, saying it is done "with the specific intention of eliminating the capacity for sexual pleasure, and rightly considered a criminal action" and contrasted it with MGM (despite admitting male circumcision also leads to "diminished pleasure").<ref>{{REFnews		'''Barbara Kay''' has generalized and exaggerated female circumcision and the societies and religions that practice it, while praising male [[circumcision]] for having been practiced for "thousands of years." She is an advocate for circumcision, particularly infant circumcision, and regularly promotes it in her articles in the ''National Post''. In her article, she decried [[FGM]], saying it is done "with the specific intention of eliminating the capacity for sexual pleasure, and rightly considered a criminal action" and contrasted it with [[MGM]] (despite admitting male circumcision also leads to "diminished pleasure").<ref>{{REFnews
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	}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Barbara_Kay_on_circumcision.pdf Archive]</ref> She however spun this as positive, claiming circumcised men have "greater pre-orgasmic endurance" (and implied this solidified long-term relationships).		}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Barbara_Kay_on_circumcision.pdf Archive]</ref> She however spun this as positive, claiming [[circumcised]] men have "greater pre-orgasmic endurance" (and implied this solidified long-term relationships).

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	}}</ref> She had learned of Doughart's article before it was to be published, due to her son being the comments editor at the paper. In response, she prepared her own article, which then appeared in the paper at the same time as Doughart's. Kay praises circumcision for having been practiced for thousands of years (Kay is Jewish), and likens this to a "massive controlled study of Jewish and Muslim men, from which no negative effects can be ascribed to male circumcision." She compares circumcision to a vaccine and dismisses sex education and condom use as "not working in significant numbers."<ref>{{REFnews		}}</ref> She had learned of Doughart's article before it was to be published, due to her son being the comments editor at the paper. In response, she prepared her own article, which then appeared in the paper at the same time as Doughart's. Kay praises [[circumcision]] for having been practiced for thousands of years (Kay is Jewish), and likens this to a "massive controlled study of Jewish and Muslim men, from which no negative effects can be ascribed to male circumcision." She compares circumcision to a vaccine and dismisses sex education and condom use as "not working in significant numbers."<ref>{{REFnews
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	\|Title=Barbara Kay on circumcision: ''A painless, live-saving surgery''		\|Title=Barbara Kay on circumcision: ''A painless, live-saving surgery''
	\|Text='Mutilation' is a disgusting word to apply to the [[excision]] of a non-essential bacteria trap, nearly painless and instantly forgotten (those who claim otherwise are fantasizing; no credible study demonstrates lasting effects). Unlike ordinary circumcised men, FGM victims know they have been mutilated in the real sense of the word. Feminists constantly remind us that men have all the power. If true, how is it that after so many thousands of years — coincidentally up to the advent of the sexual revolution and the privileging of erotic freedom over ethical mating — so many millions of intelligent and even powerful Jewish and Muslim males never spoke up about their alleged victimhood?		\|Text='Mutilation' is a disgusting word to apply to the [[excision]] of a non-essential bacteria trap, nearly painless and instantly forgotten (those who claim otherwise are fantasizing; no credible study demonstrates lasting effects). Unlike ordinary [[circumcised]] men, [[FGM]] victims know they have been mutilated in the real sense of the word. Feminists constantly remind us that men have all the power. If true, how is it that after so many thousands of years — coincidentally up to the advent of the sexual revolution and the privileging of erotic freedom over ethical mating — so many millions of intelligent and even powerful Jewish and Muslim males never spoke up about their alleged victimhood?

	[...]		[...]

	Set aside the rights-based rhetoric. It’s about sex: Circumcised men have greater pre-orgasmic endurance; non-circumcision permits more frequent ejaculations. What matters most to the anti-circumcision activists is their diminished pleasure with frequently changing sexual partners, as befits an era where the number of conquests is a more common metric of romantic success than long-term relationships.		Set aside the rights-based rhetoric. It’s about sex: [[Circumcised]] men have greater pre-orgasmic endurance; non-circumcision permits more frequent ejaculations. What matters most to the anti-circumcision activists is their diminished pleasure with frequently changing sexual partners, as befits an era where the number of conquests is a more common metric of romantic success than long-term relationships.
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	The implication being that intact men are promiscuous, licentious letchers, and circumcised men are faithful men who use their prowess "enhanced" by circumcision (with diminished pleasure?) to please a single partner.		The implication being that [[intact]] men are promiscuous, licentious letchers, and [[circumcised]] men are faithful men who use their prowess "enhanced" by circumcision (with diminished pleasure?) to please a single partner.

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	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

	12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a mohel, who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by complications, if you mean perhaps an ~~inflamation~~ that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.		12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a [[mohel]], who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by [[Risks and complications\| complications]], if you mean perhaps an inflammation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.

	21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].		21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].
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	22:46: With the foreskin you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.		22:46: With the foreskin you get faster and more frequent ejaculations. Without it, it takes a little longer, but you get more endurance. This is something I am told by the way, this is not something I would know about on my own.

	24:03: The foreskin is a trap for bacteria.		24:03: The [[foreskin]] is a trap for bacteria.

	27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.		27:31: You've got an intervention that does no harm, that does a lot of good, and that has been the staple of two ancient religions for millenia.
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	* [[Neil Pollock]] -- Kay uses quotes by Pollock.		* [[Neil Pollock]] -- Kay uses quotes by Pollock.
	* [[Bias]] -- Learn how religion and culture effects ~~ones~~ views on ~~circumcision~~.		* [[Bias]] -- Learn how religion and culture effects one's views on [[circumcisi.
			* [[Canada]]
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	* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Kay_controversy The Barbara Kay controversy]		* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Kay_controversy The Barbara Kay controversy]
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	<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the pain of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>		<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the pain of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>

	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and AIDS in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and [[AIDS]] in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

	12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a mohel, who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by complications, if you mean perhaps an inflamation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.		12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a mohel, who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by complications, if you mean perhaps an inflamation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.

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	<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the pain of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>		<small>'''Note:''' This is the second time that Kay asserts the pain of circumcision only lasts ten seconds.</small>

	9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against HIV and AIDS in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.		9:41: It is a kind of vaccine against [[HIV]] and AIDS in women, and reduces it sharply in men, so really, it has become a kind of vaccination.

	12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a mohel, who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by complications, if you mean perhaps an inflamation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.		12:04: I would query the 1 in 50 complications when done by a mohel, who does nothing else (and by the way now many of them are doctors as well as mohels). I don't know what you mean by complications, if you mean perhaps an inflamation that doesn't go away or something. If we talk about the morbidity rate with circumcisions, it is so trivial when done by experienced circumcisionists. It is so trivial that you would stop having your teeth cleaned if you took those kind of statistics seriously. I am sure that adult circumcision have higher complications.

	21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against HIV.		21:33: It seems to me very strange that here we have fantastic proof that you can actually protect your child from future diseases, as one doctor said. It is a vaccine, it is actually a vaccine, as good as a vaccine against [[HIV]].

	22:01: My kids learned English against their consent. Maybe they would have liked to have grown up French-speaking, but that's the way it is.		22:01: My kids learned English against their consent. Maybe they would have liked to have grown up French-speaking, but that's the way it is.