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	*This child is virtually guaranteed, — if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.		*This child is virtually guaranteed, — if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.
			*The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.

			*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.

			But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!) , and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load,'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops?)

			The punishment for the parents is coming —24-hr care for this child --tens of millions of $$$ – but only if he survives.

			(USA Drs — and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively *The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.

			*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.

			But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!) , and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load,'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops?)

			The punishment for the parents is coming — 24-hr care for this child —tens of millions of $$$ — but only if he survives.

			(USA Drs — and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively — and affordably — low.

			A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.

			Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.)

			DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching. An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).

			This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.
			and affordably– low.

			A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.

			Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.)

			DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching. An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).

			This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.


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	The management of the hospital, perhaps fearful of potential litigation, has refused comment, citing patient privacy as the reason.<ref name="bisram2025" />		The management of the hospital, perhaps fearful of potential litigation, has refused comment, citing patient privacy as the reason.<ref name="bisram2025" />
	==Comment by Doctors Opposing Circumcision==		==Comment by Doctors Opposing Circumcision==
	[[John D. Geisheker]], JD, the executive director of [[Doctors Opposing Circumcision]], said in a complaint filed with New York authorities, said:		[[John V. Geisheker]], JD, LL.M., the executive director of [[Doctors Opposing Circumcision]], said in a complaint filed with New York authorities, said:
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	*Even a large 8.8lb, 4-kilo, infant has only 12 oz (355ml) of TBV, total blood volume. This is basic paediatric haematology 101, not rocket science.		*Even a large 8.8lb, 4-kilo, infant has only 12 oz (355ml) of TBV, total blood volume. This is basic paediatric haematology 101, not rocket science.
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	*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.		*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.

	*This child is virtually guaranteed, — if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation. to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.		*This child is virtually guaranteed, — if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.
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 The management of the hospital, perhaps fearful of potential litigation, has refused comment, citing patient privacy as the reason.<ref name="bisram2025" />
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	==Litigation==		==Litigation==
	One should note that Cole, himself, may bring a suit for injuries and damages suffered in childhood in New York ~~when~~ he ~~reaches~~ the age of majority at age 18.<ref>{{REFweb		One should note that Cole, himself, may bring a suit for injuries and damages suffered in childhood in New York if he should the age of majority at age 18.<ref>{{REFweb
	\|url=https://www.arclaw.org/press-releases/nocirc-arc-press-release-re-stowell-case		\|url=https://www.arclaw.org/press-releases/nocirc-arc-press-release-re-stowell-case
	\|title=NOCIRC-ARC Press Release Re Stowell Case		\|title=NOCIRC-ARC Press Release Re Stowell Case

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	== Cole's circumcision ==		== Cole's circumcision ==

			There may have been a rush to get Cole [[circumcised]] and the additional charges obtained before Cole was discharged home.

	The circumcision was performed on 14 April 2025 at about 11:00 PM by a nurse-practitioner on the night shift, who has not been identified.<ref>{{REFnews		The circumcision was performed on 14 April 2025 at about 11:00 PM by a nurse-practitioner on the night shift, who has not been identified.<ref>{{REFnews

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	Tim Groth, Cole's father, later expressed surprise that [[circumcision]] can lead to [[death]].<ref>{{REFweb		Tim Groth, Cole's father, later expressed surprise that [[circumcision]] can lead to [[death]]!<ref>{{REFweb
	\|url=https://www.facebook.com/744440726/posts/10171632591400727/?mibextid=wwXIfr&rdid=pL0KIjibgImYUuuQ		\|url=https://www.facebook.com/744440726/posts/10171632591400727/?mibextid=wwXIfr&rdid=pL0KIjibgImYUuuQ
	\|title=Tim Groth's Post		\|title=Tim Groth's Post
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	== Cole's injuries ==		== Cole's injuries ==
	Cole was in the newborn intensive care unit (NICU) at the time that the hospital solicited a consent for circumcision. If a circumcision is to be performed, the infant boy should be "stable and healthy". A boy in intensive care ~~may not~~ be stable and healthy. Bollinger (2025) has questioned the safety of the practice of circumcising boys in the NICU.<ref>{{REFdocument		Cole was in the newborn intensive care unit (NICU) at the time that the hospital solicited a consent for circumcision. If a circumcision is to be performed, the infant boy should be "stable and healthy". A boy in intensive care is unlikely to be stable and healthy. Bollinger (2025) has questioned the safety of the practice of circumcising boys in the NICU.<ref>{{REFdocument
	\|title=Policy Paper: Why NICU Circumcisions Should Cease		\|title=Policy Paper: Why NICU Circumcisions Should Cease
	\|url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/393843892_Policy_Paper_Why_NICU_Circumcisions_Should_Cease		\|url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/393843892_Policy_Paper_Why_NICU_Circumcisions_Should_Cease
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	On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.		On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.
			==Public response==
			[[Intact America]] has launched a petition to end the [[circumcision]] of boys in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit (NICU).<ref>{{REFweb
			\|url=https://intactamerica.org/intact-america-launches-a-petition-drive-to-end-nicu-circumcisions/
			\|title=Intact America Launches a Petition Drive to End NICU Circumcisions
			\|last=Ashford
			\|first=Jeannie
			\|init=
			\|author-link=
			\|publisher=Intact America
			\|date=2025-06-19
			\|accessdate=2025-09-06
			}}</ref>

	==The response from the hospital management==		==The response from the hospital management==

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	He will have diminished [[Erogenous sensation of the foreskin\| erogenous sensation]] in adult life because of the loss of the [[ridged band]] in his [[foreskin]].<ref name="alissa2024-11-19" />		He will have diminished [[Erogenous sensation of the foreskin\| erogenous sensation]] in adult life because of the loss of the [[ridged band]] in his [[foreskin]].<ref name="alissa2024-11-19" />

	It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their ~~[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Lake_Grove,_New_York Lake Grove], Long Island home.		It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their {{W\|Lake_Grove,_New_York\|Lake Grove}}, Long Island home.

	On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.		On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.
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	===Boy nearly bleeds to death after circumcision at New York Presbyterian Hospital===		===Boy nearly bleeds to death after circumcision at New York Presbyterian Hospital===
	<youtube>WEQHhBeBumc</youtube>		<youtube>WEQHhBeBumc</youtube>

	==Litigation==		==Litigation==
	One should note that Cole, himself, may bring a suit for injuries and damages suffered in childhood in New York when he reaches the age of majority at age 18.<ref>{{REFweb		One should note that Cole, himself, may bring a suit for injuries and damages suffered in childhood in New York when he reaches the age of majority at age 18.<ref>{{REFweb
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	[[Category:Education]]		[[Category:Education]]

	[[Category:USA]]		[[Category:USA]]

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	He will have diminished [[Erogenous sensation of the foreskin\| erogenous sensation]] in adult life because of the loss of the [[ridged band]] in his [[foreskin]].<ref name="alissa2024-11-19" />		He will have diminished [[Erogenous sensation of the foreskin\| erogenous sensation]] in adult life because of the loss of the [[ridged band]] in his [[foreskin]].<ref name="alissa2024-11-19" />

	It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their Lake Grove, Long Island home.		It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Grove,_New_York Lake Grove], Long Island home.

	On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.		On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.

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	}}</ref>, so is parents elected to give birth at [https://www.nyp.org/morganstanley Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital] in the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan, which was ''then'' thought to be the best children's hospital in the New York area, so he could be treated for CHD.<ref name="bisram2025">{{REFnews		}}</ref>, so his parents elected to give birth at [https://www.nyp.org/morganstanley Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital] in the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan, which was ''then'' thought to be the best children's hospital in the New York area, so he could be treated for CHD.<ref name="bisram2025">{{REFnews
	\|title=Circumcision at NYC hospital almost made baby bleed to death, parents say		\|title=Circumcision at NYC hospital almost made baby bleed to death, parents say
	\|url=https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/baby-nearly-bled-to-death-circumcision-parents-say/		\|url=https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/baby-nearly-bled-to-death-circumcision-parents-say/
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	\|accessdate=2025-05-01		\|accessdate=2025-05-01
	}}</ref> It also is not clear that the legally required [[informed consent]] was received by the parents, Tim and Gabrielle Groth, who apparently granted [[surrogate consent]] for a non-therapeutic surgical [[amputation]] and [[genital mutilation]] in violation of [[Medical_ethics#Medical_ethics_and_circumcision\| standards of medical ethics]].<ref>{{REFweb		}}</ref> It also is not clear that the legally required [[informed consent]] was received by the parents, Tim and/or Gabrielle Groth, who apparently granted [[surrogate consent]] for a non-therapeutic surgical [[amputation]] and [[genital mutilation]] in violation of [[Medical_ethics#Medical_ethics_and_circumcision\| standards of medical ethics]].<ref>{{REFweb
	\|url=https://intactamerica.org/ethical-debate-behind-circumcision/		\|url=https://intactamerica.org/ethical-debate-behind-circumcision/
	\|title=Are We Sacrificing Newborns for Tradition? The Ethical Debate Behind Circumcision		\|title=Are We Sacrificing Newborns for Tradition? The Ethical Debate Behind Circumcision
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	\|quote=Multiple surgeries revealed sections of dead intestine that required removal.		\|quote=Multiple surgeries revealed sections of dead intestine that required removal.
	}}</ref> It is unclear if Cole received any [[pain]] medication or how effective it was.		}}</ref> The circumcision procedure needed to be performed before Cole was discharged so that the hospital could collect various fees. It is unclear if Cole received any [[pain]] medication or how effective it was.

	No tests were performed to determine the ability of Cole's blood to clot.		No tests were performed to determine the ability of Cole's blood to clot.
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	Cole's loss of blood caused by his unnecessary [[circumcision]] caused substantial organ injury. Part of his intestines died and had to be removed by an abdominal operation. He has been fitted with a colostomy bag.<ref name="degregory2025"/>		Cole's loss of blood caused by his harmful, unnecessary [[circumcision]] caused substantial organ injury. Part of his intestines died and had to be removed by an abdominal operation. He has been fitted with a colostomy bag.<ref name="degregory2025"/>

	He will need additional surgery later to reconnect the residual parts of his intestines.<ref name="degregory2025"/>		He will need additional surgery later to reconnect the residual surviving parts of his intestines.<ref name="degregory2025"/>

	There also is concern about liver damage, kidney damage, and brain damage from the [[exsanguination]].<ref>{{REFweb		There also is concern about liver damage, kidney damage, and brain damage from the [[exsanguination]].<ref>{{REFweb
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	==Cole's future==		==Cole's future==
	Cole must remain in hospital ~~for several months~~, where he is being fed intravenously.<ref>{{REFnews		Cole must remain in hospital indefinitely, where he is being fed intravenously.<ref>{{REFnews
	\|title=‘Not out of the woods by any means’: Newborn fights for life after circumcision ‘gone awry’ nearly kills him		\|title=‘Not out of the woods by any means’: Newborn fights for life after circumcision ‘gone awry’ nearly kills him
	\|url=https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-woods-means-newborn-fights-152621345.html		\|url=https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-woods-means-newborn-fights-152621345.html
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	It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their Lake Grove, Long Island home.		It is likely to be a long time before he can join his parents and his brother, Bryce, in their Lake Grove, Long Island home.

	On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his pain issues.		On the bright side, Cole's father, Tim, operates a [https://www.timothygrothmdpc.com/ pain management company], so he may be able to help Cole manage his [[pain]] issues.

	==The response from the hospital management==		==The response from the hospital management==

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	*For a newborn, loss of even 20%, 75ml, a couple ounces, can cause heart stoppage, but even that amount potentially causes brain and other damage meanwhile. The heart needs 'back pressure' stimulus to keep operating. This child lost like 50% of his TBV it is said.		*For a newborn, loss of even 20%, 75ml, a couple ounces, can cause heart stoppage, but even that amount potentially causes brain and other damage meanwhile. The heart needs 'back pressure' stimulus to keep operating. This child lost like 50% of his TBV it is said.

	*A bleeding child just slips away without a sound as if he is sleeping soundly, as bleeding to death is initially painless and he would not cry out to alert caretakers.		*Modern nappies are saturated with absorbent chemicals that mask and contain liquids, even blood. I've done live demos of that, — using bridge paint — at lectures with new parents.

	*Modern nappies are saturated with absorbent chemicals that mask and contain liquids, even blood. I've done live demos of that, ~~–using~~ bridge ~~paint–~~ at lectures with new parents.

	*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.		*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.
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	*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.		*Regular checks on a post-procedure patient are not optional even if it is nighttime and the patient needs rest. Checking on this child's C... wound would have been the routine work of seconds. A night janitor could have done it.

	*This child is virtually guaranteed, — if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.		*This child is virtually guaranteed, if he survives at all — to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation to be profoundly retarded due to ischemia of the brain, a lack of oxygenated blood. The fact that his body starved his intestines to keep the heart and brain functioning suggests the dire nature of his situation.
	*The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.		*The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.

	*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.		*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.

	But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!) , and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load,'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops?)		But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!), and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load,'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, (and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops?)

	The punishment for the parents is coming ~~—24~~-hr care for this child --tens of millions of $$$ – but only if he survives.		The punishment for the parents is coming 24-hr care for this child — tens of millions of $$$ — but only if he survives.

	(USA Drs — and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively *The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.		(USA Drs — and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively *The night nurses, who will be held fully liable, should apply for work driving for Uber while they still can find work at all. But should not the fact that they were handed a patient who should NEVER have had this procedure so close to his heart op count for something? Perhaps not.
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	*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.		*The hospital will blame the doctor, who will blame the night nurses. This is classic and very familiar to us at DOC.

	But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!) , and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load,'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops?)		But what amazes me (yuuucchh) is that the father here runs a pain clinic (!!!!!), and HIS father is an MD pain clinic expert. Do they not understand the concept of 'allostatic load'? That's the notion that the body can only withstand a certain degree of stress, and that it is cumulative? (see below) Why did the father and G-father allow the hospital (if they did consent, and these consents are ALWAYS fraud) to operate, unnecessarily, on a child just out of heart surgery (and headed for more necessary heart ops)?

	The punishment for the parents is coming — 24-hr care for this child ~~—tens~~ of millions of $$$ — but only if he survives.		The punishment for the parents is coming — 24-hr care for this child — tens of millions of $$$ — but only if he survives.

	(USA Drs — and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively — and affordably — low.		(USA Drs and their attys — know that in the US, the smartest thing to do is let such a highly compromised patient die. A dead newborn is nearly worthless; the liability relatively — and affordably — low.

	A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.		A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.
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	Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.)		Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.)

	DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching. An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).		DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching.) An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).

	This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.		This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.
	and ~~affordably– low~~.		and affordably–low.

	A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.		A need for 24-hour nursing care indefinitely is a HUGE liability for decades.

	Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.)		Sounds callous and heartless, but those are the legal facts.

	DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching. An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).		DOC will soon be all over this case like white on rice, and happy to advise the plaintiffs' lawyers if they wish our input. (Although this case is what attys call a 'cash register' case, Kah-ching.) An atty would have to be remarkably stupid to lose it, and need only wait for the gears to grind away to earn the fees eventually (many millions).

	This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.		This is N. American cultural cruelty and medical ruthlessness at its most obvious and unforgivable.


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