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	The media often only spread part of the information available. Many people e.g. aren't at all aware today that fifty years ago, if at all, people used to speak of ''circumcision'' among women and girls, too. The association of the term ''mutilation'' was accomplished through the emergence of feminism and the political work of the women's movement. Today, based on the WHO classification of the [[FGM]] methods found, it is known that there are the most varied types of [[FGM]] worldwide, ranging from slight incisions on the clitoral hood to the most brutal, actual mutilations. Affected reports such as Waris Dirie's autobiographical novel "Desert Flower" are familiar to many as the common cliché of association with [[FGM]], not least because it was made into a film.		The media often only spread part of the information available. Many people e.g. aren't at all aware today that fifty years ago, if at all, people used to speak of ''circumcision'' among women and girls, too. The association of the term ''mutilation'' was accomplished through the emergence of feminism and the political work of the women's movement. Today, based on the WHO classification of the [[FGM]] methods found, it is known that there are the most varied types of [[FGM]] worldwide, ranging from slight incisions on the clitoral hood to the most brutal, actual mutilations. Affected reports such as Waris Dirie's autobiographical novel "Desert Flower" are familiar to many as the common cliché of association with [[FGM]], not least because it was made into a film.

	In the media, [[MGM]] has not yet reached the society's consciousness as mutilation this much, especially in the western world. In Europe and e.g. in the USA [[MGM]] is regularly associated with "medical intervention", "operation", "sterile", "small incision", [[phimosis]], "hygienic benefits" and with "religious practice" by Jews and Muslims. Viewed worldwide, there are just as many variants of [[MGM]] as of [[FGM]], many of which would "make us vomit" just as much as the story of the "desert flower". Australian forms of [[MGM]] among the Aborigines ([[Subincision]]) or the [[MGM]] initiation rites in parts of Africa~~<ref>http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html</ref>~~ have nothing in common with our predominant association. But so far the WHO has not carried out a corresponding classification of the [[MGM]] methods found. The political work of the [[intactivists]] movement has been adjusting this inequally published information since several years and brings the various forms and effects of [[MGM]] into the consciousness of society as well.		In the media, [[MGM]] has not yet reached the society's consciousness as mutilation this much, especially in the western world. In Europe and e.g. in the USA [[MGM]] is regularly associated with "medical intervention", "operation", "sterile", "small incision", [[phimosis]], "hygienic benefits" and with "religious practice" by Jews and Muslims. Viewed worldwide, there are just as many variants of [[MGM]] as of [[FGM]], many of which would "make us vomit" just as much as the story of the "desert flower". Australian forms of [[MGM]] among the Aborigines ([[Subincision]]) or the [[MGM]] [[Ulwaluko\|initiation rites in parts of Africa]] have nothing in common with our predominant association. But so far the WHO has not carried out a corresponding classification of the [[MGM]] methods found. The political work of the [[intactivists]] movement has been adjusting this inequally published information since several years and brings the various forms and effects of [[MGM]] into the consciousness of society as well.

	All this does not mean that a competition between [[FGM]] and [[MGM]] is permissible in the circumcision debate. The depth of intervention is no valid argument when it comes to the medically not necessary [[circumcision]] of children. Everyone has certain inalienable rights from birth onwards. These also include the right to physical integrity. This right can be interfered with on the basis of medical necessities by e.g. vaccinate or perform a necessary operation that either saves the child's life or significantly improves the quality of life.		All this does not mean that a competition between [[FGM]] and [[MGM]] is permissible in the circumcision debate. The depth of intervention is no valid argument when it comes to the medically not necessary [[circumcision]] of children. Everyone has certain inalienable rights from birth onwards. These also include the right to physical integrity. This right can be interfered with on the basis of medical necessities by e.g. vaccinate or perform a necessary operation that either saves the child's life or significantly improves the quality of life.
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	Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by [[parental rights]], but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.		Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by [[parental rights]], but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.

			Debra DeLaet (2009) has researched the different approaches of the international community for framing male and female circumcision as a [[human rights]] issue.<ref>{{REFjournal
			\|last=DeLaet
			\|first=Debra L.
			\|init=DL
			\|url=https://www.academia.edu/30794845/
			\|title=Framing Male Circumcision as a Human Rights Issue? Contributions to the Debate Over the Universality of Human Rights
			\|date=2009
			\|journal=J Human Rights
			\|volume=8
			\|pages=405-26
			\|DOI=10.1080/14754830903324795
			\|accessdate=2022-10-14
			}}</ref>

	{{SEEALSO}}		{{SEEALSO}}

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	Anyone who uses this killer argument of non-comparability does not want to face a debate about the meaningfulness of non-medically justified [[circumcision]].		Anyone who uses this killer argument of non-comparability does not want to face a debate about the meaningfulness of non-medically justified [[circumcision]].

	Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by parental rights, but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.		Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by [[parental rights]], but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.

	{{SEEALSO}}		{{SEEALSO}}

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			* {{REFweb
			\|url=https://gregmoose.medium.com/double-standards-between-male-and-female-circumcision-821838d04320
			\|title=Double Standards between Male and Female Circumcision
			\|last=Moose
			\|first=Greg
			\|date=2021-03-05
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	* {{REFweb		* {{REFweb
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	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ Difference Between: Male & Female Circumcision]		* {{REFweb
			\|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ
			\|title=Difference Between: Male & Female Circumcision
			\|website=YouTube
			\|date=2010-07-06
			\|accessdate=2021-03-31
			}}

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			* {{REFweb
			\|url=https://circumcision.org/male-and-female-genital-cutting-compared/
			\|title=Male and Female Genital Cutting Compared
			\|website=[[Circumcision Resource Center]]
			\|accessdate=2021-03-20
			}}
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ Difference Between: Male & Female Circumcision]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ Difference Between: Male & Female Circumcision]

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	Any further discussion could of course be carried out, but this pseudo-argument of incomparability alone effectively invalidates all possible counter-arguments because it appeals to our socially conditioned morality. In the case of non-medically justified [[circumcision]] in both girls and boys, it is immensely important to compare the type of circumcision, the consequences and the reasons in order to be able to identify similarities or differences. The justifications for [[FGM]] are varied and shockingly similar to those presented for [[MGM]].		Any further discussion could of course be carried out, but this pseudo-argument of incomparability alone effectively invalidates all possible counter-arguments because it appeals to our socially conditioned morality. In the case of non-medically justified [[circumcision]] in both girls and boys, it is immensely important to compare the type of circumcision, the consequences and the reasons in order to be able to identify similarities or differences. The justifications for [[FGM]] are varied and shockingly similar to those presented for [[MGM]].

	Anyone who uses this ~~thought-terminating cliché~~ of non-comparability does not want to face a debate about the meaningfulness of non-medically justified [[circumcision]].		Anyone who uses this killer argument of non-comparability does not want to face a debate about the meaningfulness of non-medically justified [[circumcision]].

	Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by parental rights, but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.		Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by parental rights, but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.

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	== "MGM and FGM cannot be compared." ==		== "MGM and FGM cannot be compared." ==

			Comparisons are legitimate elements of any discussion, since comparison is a basic, perception-based method that leads to finding similarities and differences between topics or objects. It is therefore always legitimate to compare, even if the subjects or objects to be compared do not have the same characteristics. The comparison can lead to the result that the compared topics or objects are the same, or that they are similar or very different.

	[[MGM]] stands for ''Male Genital Mutilation''. [[FGM]] stands for ''Female Genital Mutilation''.		[[MGM]] stands for ''Male Genital Mutilation''. [[FGM]] stands for ''Female Genital Mutilation''.

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	== "MGM and FGM cannot be compared." ==		== "MGM and FGM cannot be compared." ==

	[[MGM]] ~~steht für~~ ''Male Genital Mutilation'' ~~(männliche Genitalverstümmelung)~~. [[FGM]] ~~steht für~~ ''Female Genital Mutilation'' ~~(weibliche Genitalverstümmelung)~~.		[[MGM]] stands for ''Male Genital Mutilation''. [[FGM]] stands for ''Female Genital Mutilation''.

	~~Vielfach hört man, dass man~~ [[MGM]] ~~und~~ [[FGM]] ~~nicht miteinander vergleichen könne~~; FGM ~~würde einen viel intensiveren Eingriff darstellen,~~ so ~~dass sich ein Vergleich von selbst verbieten würde~~.		One often hears that [[MGM]] and [[FGM]] cannot be compared; FGM would represent a much more intensive intervention so that a comparison would be forbidden by itself.

	~~Dieses Scheinargument ist~~ in ~~ein sogenanntes Totschlagargument~~<ref>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Totschlagargument~~</ref>, ~~das dadurch funktioniert, dass viele Menschen erschütternde Bilder und Berichte über verstümmelte Frauen-Genitalien im Kopf haben, die durch dieses Argument abgerufen werden~~. Da in den Medien erschütternde Bilder und Berichte über verstümmelte Knaben-[[Penis]]se und die Folgen für die Betroffenen bislang nur selten geboten werden, ist bei uns nur selten eine vergleichbare Assoziation abrufbar, ~~die sich auf~~ [[MGM]] ~~bezieht~~. So ~~ist es leicht, dem Scheinargument nach oberflächlichem Vergleich mit unseren gespeicherten Assoziationen zuzustimmen~~.		This pseudo-argument is in a so-called thought-terminating cliché<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism#Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9</ref>, which works because many people have harrowing images and reports of mutilated women's genitals in their heads which get triggered by this argument. Since shocking images and reports about mutilated boys and the consequences for those affected have only rarely been offered in the media so far, we can rarely find a comparable association that refers to [[MGM]]. So it is easy to agree to the pseudo-argument after a superficial comparison with our stored associations.

	~~Medien verbreiten oft nur einen Teil der verfügbaren Informationen~~. ~~Vielen ist heutzutage z~~.B. ~~gar nicht bewusst~~, ~~dass man z.B. vor fünfzig Jahren~~, ~~wenn überhaupt, auch bei Frauen und Mädchen von~~ ''~~Beschneidung~~'' ~~sprach~~. ~~Die Verknüpfung des Begriffs~~ ''~~Verstümmelung~~'' ~~wurde durch den aufkommenden Feminismus und die politische Arbeit der Frauenbewegung vollbracht~~. ~~Heute ist aufgrund der~~ WHO~~-Klassifizierung der vorgefundenen~~ [[FGM]]~~-Methoden bekannt~~, ~~dass es weltweit gesehen die verschiedensten Arten von~~ [[FGM]] ~~gibt~~, ~~die von geringfügigem Anritzen der Klitorisvorhaut bis zu brutalsten~~, ~~tatsächlichen Verstümmelungen reichen~~. ~~Betroffenen-Berichte wie z.B. der autobiografische Roman~~ "~~Wüstenblume~~" ~~von Waris Dirie sind, nicht zuletzt durch dessen Verfilmung, vielen als das gängige Assoziationsklischee von~~ [[FGM]] ~~vertraut~~.		The media often only spread part of the information available. Many people e.g. aren't at all aware today that fifty years ago, if at all, people used to speak of ''circumcision'' among women and girls, too. The association of the term ''mutilation'' was accomplished through the emergence of feminism and the political work of the women's movement. Today, based on the WHO classification of the [[FGM]] methods found, it is known that there are the most varied types of [[FGM]] worldwide, ranging from slight incisions on the clitoral hood to the most brutal, actual mutilations. Affected reports such as Waris Dirie's autobiographical novel "Desert Flower" are familiar to many as the common cliché of association with [[FGM]], not least because it was made into a film.

	~~Medial ist~~ [[MGM]] ~~als Verstümmelung noch nicht so sehr im Bewusstsein der Gesellschaft angekommen~~, ~~vor allem~~ in ~~der westlichen Welt~~. In ~~Europa und den USA z~~.B. ~~wird~~ [[MGM]] ~~regelmäßig mit~~ "~~ärztlicher Eingriff~~", "OP", "~~steril~~", "~~kleiner Schnitt~~", [[~~Phimose~~]], "~~hygienische Vorteile~~" ~~und eben mit~~ "~~religiöser Brauch~~" ~~von Juden und Muslimen in Verbindung gebracht~~. ~~Weltweit betrachtet gibt es durchaus ebenso viele Varianten von~~ [[MGM]] ~~wie von~~ [[FGM]], ~~von denen viele uns ebenso~~ "~~den Magen umdrehen~~" ~~würden wie die Geschichte der~~ "~~Wüstenblume~~". ~~Australische Formen von~~ [[MGM]] ~~bei den~~ Aborigines ([[~~Subinzision~~]]) ~~oder die~~ [[MGM]]~~-Initiationsriten~~ in ~~Teilen Afrikas~~<ref>http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html </ref> ~~haben mit unserer überwiegenden Assoziation nichts gemeinsam~~. ~~Doch bisher hat die~~ WHO ~~eine entsprechende Klassifizierung der vorgefundenen~~ [[MGM]]~~-Methoden nicht vorgenommen~~. ~~Die politische Arbeit~~ [[~~Intaktivisten~~]]~~-Bewegung ist seit einigen Jahren dabei, diese Informationsungleichheit anzupassen und die verschiedenen Formen sowie die Auswirkungen von~~ [[MGM]] ~~ebenfalls ins Bewusstsein der Gesellschaft zu tragen~~.		In the media, [[MGM]] has not yet reached the society's consciousness as mutilation this much, especially in the western world. In Europe and e.g. in the USA [[MGM]] is regularly associated with "medical intervention", "operation", "sterile", "small incision", [[phimosis]], "hygienic benefits" and with "religious practice" by Jews and Muslims. Viewed worldwide, there are just as many variants of [[MGM]] as of [[FGM]], many of which would "make us vomit" just as much as the story of the "desert flower". Australian forms of [[MGM]] among the Aborigines ([[Subincision]]) or the [[MGM]] initiation rites in parts of Africa<ref>http://www.ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html</ref> have nothing in common with our predominant association. But so far the WHO has not carried out a corresponding classification of the [[MGM]] methods found. The political work of the [[intactivists]] movement has been adjusting this inequally published information since several years and brings the various forms and effects of [[MGM]] into the consciousness of society as well.

	~~Das alles bedeutet nicht, dass in der [[Beschneidungsdebatte]] ein Konkurrenzkampf zwischen~~ [[FGM]] ~~und~~ [[MGM]] ~~zulässig wäre~~. ~~Denn auf die Eingriffstiefe kommt es überhaupt nicht an, wenn es um die~~ [[~~Beschneidung~~]] ~~von Kindern geht~~. ~~Jeder Mensch hat von Geburt an gewisse unveräußerliche Rechte~~. ~~Dazu gehört auch das Recht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit~~. ~~In dieses Recht kann aufgrund medizinischer Notwendigkeiten eingegriffen werden, indem man z~~.B. ~~impft oder eine notwendige Operation durchführt, die entweder das Leben des Kindes rettet oder aber die Lebensqualität erheblich verbessert~~.		All this does not mean that a competition between [[FGM]] and [[MGM]] is permissible in the circumcision debate. The depth of intervention is no valid argument when it comes to the medically not necessary [[circumcision]] of children. Everyone has certain inalienable rights from birth onwards. These also include the right to physical integrity. This right can be interfered with on the basis of medical necessities by e.g. vaccinate or perform a necessary operation that either saves the child's life or significantly improves the quality of life.

	~~Die~~ [[~~Beschneidung~~]] ~~ist jedoch regelmäßig weder medizinisch notwendig~~, ~~noch führt sie zu einer Verbesserung der Lebensqualität~~.		However, [[circumcision]] is regularly neither medically necessary nor does it improve the quality of life. Therefore, it always remains legally and ethically an unjustifiable serious bodily harm to a child who is unable to consent.

	~~Jede weitere Diskussion könnte natürlich geführt werden~~, ~~aber allein mit diesem Scheinargument der Unvergleichbarkeit sind alle möglichen Gegenargumente wirksam entkräftet, weil es an unsere gesellschaftlich konditionierte Moral appelliert~~. ~~Dabei ist gerade bei der micht medizinisch begründeten~~ [[~~Beschneidung~~]] ~~sowohl bei Mädchen als auch bei Jungen immens wichtig~~, ~~die Art der Beschneidung~~, ~~die Folgen und auch die Begründungen genau zu vergleichen, um überhaupt Gemeinsamkeiten oder Unterschiede feststellen zu können~~. ~~Auch die Rechtfertigungsgründe für~~ [[FGM]] ~~sind vielfältig und erschreckend ähnlich denen, die für~~ [[MGM]] ~~vorgetragen werden~~.		Any further discussion could of course be carried out, but this pseudo-argument of incomparability alone effectively invalidates all possible counter-arguments because it appeals to our socially conditioned morality. In the case of non-medically justified [[circumcision]] in both girls and boys, it is immensely important to compare the type of circumcision, the consequences and the reasons in order to be able to identify similarities or differences. The justifications for [[FGM]] are varied and shockingly similar to those presented for [[MGM]].

	~~Wer dieses Totschlagargument der Nichtvergleichbarkeit benutzt, will sich einer Debatte über die Sinnhaftigkeit der nicht medizinisch begründeten~~ [[~~Beschneidung~~]] ~~nicht stellen~~.		Anyone who uses this thought-terminating cliché of non-comparability does not want to face a debate about the meaningfulness of non-medically justified [[circumcision]].

	~~Medizinisch nicht begründete~~, irreversible ~~Körpermodifikationen bei einem Kind liegen nicht im Entscheidungsspielraum der Eltern~~, ~~sondern nur des Kindes, das im Erwachsenenalter mit seinem Körper machen kann, was es will~~.		Medically not indicated, irreversible body modifications in a child are not covered by parental rights, but can only be decided of the children who in adulthood can do whatever they want with their body.

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