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| − | '''Circumcision advocate''' describes a person who vehemently advocates in favor of medically not necessary, non-therapeutic genital mutilation in children. | + | '''Circumcision advocate''' describes a person who vehemently advocates in favor of medically not necessary, non-therapeutic [[circumcision]] aka [[foreskin]] [[amputation]] aka [[genital mutilation]] in children. |
| − | Some of these people are committed to | + | == Reasons == |
| + | * Some of these people that advocate [[circumcision]] are have a sexual fetish and are committed to it as individuals and influence e.g. information available online (example: [[Jake Waskett]]). | ||
| + | * Others work in groups and denounce, ridicule or stalk [[intactivists]] or spread myths that have long been refuted by science as arguments for [[circumcision]]. | ||
| + | * But many also simply believe that it is the [[Parental rights|legal right of parents]] to choose and allow their sons to have part of their healthy genitalia cut off without any medical necessity. | ||
| − | There is reason to believe that many (perhaps most) circumcision advocates are actually victims of circumcision who suffer from [[Psychological issues of male circumcision#Depression, rage, and grief in circumcised men|denial of loss]]. | + | There is reason to believe that many (perhaps most) circumcision advocates are actually victims of [[circumcision]] who suffer from [[Psychological issues of male circumcision#Depression, rage, and grief in circumcised men|denial of loss]]. |
== Contradiction in terms == | == Contradiction in terms == | ||
| − | Virtually all of the leading medical associations around the world agree that [[circumcision]] in children almost never has a medical indication. Nevertheless, it is significant that the circumcision advocates try again and again with sophistry and fallacious aurguments to pretend seriousness on the subject: They claim to take a "neutral" point of view and list the [[Arguments pro circumcision|alleged advantages of genital mutilation]] alongside the disadvantages, although they regularly only touch on the latter, not but show that they want to describe them completely. | + | Virtually all of the leading medical associations around the world agree that [[circumcision]] in children almost never has a [[medical indication]]. Nevertheless, it is significant that the circumcision advocates try again and again with sophistry and fallacious aurguments to pretend seriousness on the subject: They claim to take a "neutral" point of view and list the [[Arguments pro circumcision|alleged advantages of genital mutilation]] alongside the disadvantages, although they regularly only touch on the latter, not but show that they want to describe them completely. |
Since, according to the current state of science and medical ethics, there is no medical justification for foreskin [[amputation]], there can be no advantages for the affected boy. Therefore, many circumcision advocates expose themselves to this allegedly "neutral" point of view from the outset. | Since, according to the current state of science and medical ethics, there is no medical justification for foreskin [[amputation]], there can be no advantages for the affected boy. Therefore, many circumcision advocates expose themselves to this allegedly "neutral" point of view from the outset. | ||
| − | True [[Category:Circumcision fetishist|circumcision fetishists]] like [[Brian Morris]] on the other hand speak straight away: He e.g. has repeatedly called for circumcision to be made compulsory for all boys worldwide, and has claimed that the intact [[foreskin]] would be a great danger for boys. | + | True [[Category:Circumcision fetishist|circumcision fetishists]] like [[Brian Morris]] on the other hand speak straight away: He e.g. has repeatedly called for circumcision to be made compulsory for all boys worldwide, and has claimed that the [[intact]] [[foreskin]] would be a great danger for boys. |
== Bullying techniques == | == Bullying techniques == | ||
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* Give names. | * Give names. | ||
* Insist on [[arguments pro circumcision|circumcision myths]] which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies. | * Insist on [[arguments pro circumcision|circumcision myths]] which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies. | ||
| − | * Call [[intactivism]] a "cult", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder". | + | * Call [[intactivism]] a "[[cult]]", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder". |
* Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments. | * Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments. | ||
* Send death threats. | * Send death threats. | ||
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| [https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/ Circumcision Choice] || [[Andrew Gross]] || ''"supporting Choice NOT misinformation"'' || The website name suggests that people have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised. This does not apply to children who by definition are not capable of giving consent. Their reaction about being listed in this IntactiWiki article proves that they are indeed bullying intactivists.<ref>{{REFweb | | [https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/ Circumcision Choice] || [[Andrew Gross]] || ''"supporting Choice NOT misinformation"'' || The website name suggests that people have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised. This does not apply to children who by definition are not capable of giving consent. Their reaction about being listed in this IntactiWiki article proves that they are indeed bullying intactivists.<ref>{{REFweb | ||
|url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki | |url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki | ||
| − | |title=German intactivist projects deceitful and bullying tactics | + | |title=German intactivist projects deceitful and bullying tactics |
|date=2020-08-22 | |date=2020-08-22 | ||
| − | |accessdate=2021- | + | |accessdate=2022-08-23 |
| + | }}</ref><ref>{{REFweb | ||
| + | |url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki2 | ||
| + | |title=IntactiWiki creates a page dedicated to me | ||
| + | |date=2021-07-10 | ||
| + | |accessdate=2022-08-23 | ||
| + | }}</ref><ref>{{REFweb | ||
| + | |url=https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/intactwiki3 | ||
| + | |title=IntactiWiki accuses me of inflicting trauma on babies | ||
| + | |date=2020-07-27 | ||
| + | |accessdate=2022-08-23 | ||
}}</ref> | }}</ref> | ||
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| − | | [ | + | | [[Circumcision Academy of America]] || [[Brian J. Morris]] assumed || ''Circumcision Academy of America - Medically Based Information on Male Circumcision'' || Seems to be created by the same people who also maintain CircumcisionInformation.com. |
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| [[Circumcision Academy of Australia]] || [[Brian J. Morris]] || || links to ''Circumcision Academy of America'' | | [[Circumcision Academy of Australia]] || [[Brian J. Morris]] || || links to ''Circumcision Academy of America'' | ||
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Most of these pages are run anonymously, while e.g. "[[REAL Circumcision Truths.]]" seems to be a covered advertising page from ''[[mohel]]'' [[Hayim Leiter]] who does all the contribution. | Most of these pages are run anonymously, while e.g. "[[REAL Circumcision Truths.]]" seems to be a covered advertising page from ''[[mohel]]'' [[Hayim Leiter]] who does all the contribution. | ||
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| + | == No choice for human rights violations == | ||
| + | The approach of all websites and pages listed here, that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy [[foreskin]] amputated without [[medical indication]] for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit [[human rights]] abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on these websites and pages should be viewed as fundamentally critical, if not as a call for human rights violations. | ||
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| + | [[Peter W. Adler|Adler]] (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise [[Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning]]: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent [[medical indication]]. | ||
{{SEEALSO}} | {{SEEALSO}} | ||
Latest revision as of 17:47, 18 November 2022
Circumcision advocate describes a person who vehemently advocates in favor of medically not necessary, non-therapeutic circumcision aka foreskin amputation aka genital mutilation in children.
Contents
Reasons
- Some of these people that advocate circumcision are have a sexual fetish and are committed to it as individuals and influence e.g. information available online (example: Jake Waskett).
- Others work in groups and denounce, ridicule or stalk intactivists or spread myths that have long been refuted by science as arguments for circumcision.
- But many also simply believe that it is the legal right of parents to choose and allow their sons to have part of their healthy genitalia cut off without any medical necessity.
There is reason to believe that many (perhaps most) circumcision advocates are actually victims of circumcision who suffer from denial of loss.
Contradiction in terms
Virtually all of the leading medical associations around the world agree that circumcision in children almost never has a medical indication. Nevertheless, it is significant that the circumcision advocates try again and again with sophistry and fallacious aurguments to pretend seriousness on the subject: They claim to take a "neutral" point of view and list the alleged advantages of genital mutilation alongside the disadvantages, although they regularly only touch on the latter, not but show that they want to describe them completely.
Since, according to the current state of science and medical ethics, there is no medical justification for foreskin amputation, there can be no advantages for the affected boy. Therefore, many circumcision advocates expose themselves to this allegedly "neutral" point of view from the outset.
True like Brian Morris on the other hand speak straight away: He e.g. has repeatedly called for circumcision to be made compulsory for all boys worldwide, and has claimed that the intact foreskin would be a great danger for boys.
Bullying techniques
Chances are that discussions about the MGM topic will culminate in an exchange of unkindness. There is no tendency to determine whether intactivists or circumcision advocates have started to escalate a discussion; people and situations are too different for that and each person has other trigger words on which to react. But there are samples which often repeat and are used by circumcision advocates mostly, especially when they can no longer stand up argumentatively.
Work in progress: The following information does not claim to be complete. More content will be added gradually.
- Accuse the opponent as being anti-Semitic.
- Accuse the opponent as being islamophob.
- Attack ad hominem, i.e. attack the discussion partner personally, not speaking about the topic (ad rem).
- Cite arguments pro circumcision that have long since been refuted.
- Claim that intactivists are not about children's rights.
- Claim that intactivists are pedophiles.
- Denounce inactivists to their employer/organization/party as anti-Semites, etc.
- Deny and make fun of personal experiences and sufferings from mutilated men.
- Distract from the topic.
- Focus on the child's penis, not on his human rights.
- Give names.
- Insist on circumcision myths which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies.
- Call intactivism a "cult", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder".
- Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments.
- Send death threats.
- Write private messages to the opponent with threatening or bullying content.
Circumcision advocate websites
This incomplete list shows websites and their own "claims" quoted from the websites:
| Website | Maintainer | Claim | IntactiWiki comment |
|---|---|---|---|
| CircFacts.Org | N.N. | "Real Facts About Male Circumcision" | The website name suggests that there are verified facts ("real facts" is a tautology). In fact, the information there is highly selective and tendentious. |
| circinfo.net | Brian J. Morris | Circumcision: An Evidence-Based Appraisal | This website is owned and maintained by circumfetishist Morris who seems to be the author of all articles on this website. |
| Circumcision Choice | Andrew Gross | "supporting Choice NOT misinformation" | The website name suggests that people have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised. This does not apply to children who by definition are not capable of giving consent. Their reaction about being listed in this IntactiWiki article proves that they are indeed bullying intactivists.[1][2][3] |
| Circumcision Academy of America | Brian J. Morris assumed | Circumcision Academy of America - Medically Based Information on Male Circumcision | Seems to be created by the same people who also maintain CircumcisionInformation.com. |
| Circumcision Academy of Australia | Brian J. Morris | links to Circumcision Academy of America | |
| CircumcisionInformation.com | N.N. | News and Information on all aspects involving Male Circumcision | English-language website that promotes male circumcision. It seems to be addressed to Americans and Canadians. It is linked to |
| CircumInfo.dk | Jette Marianne Møller | "Afbalanceret, videnskabeligt baseret information om rituel omskæring af drenge" (English: Balanced, scientifically based information on ritual circumcision of boys) |
The website claims to provide neutral information about male circumcision, but leaves no doubt that the posts are biased in favor of circumcision and ridicule intactivists and scientific arguments against circumcision. They seem mainly focused on silencing Morten Frisch. |
| EURO CIRC | Guntur Maulana (Jakarta, Indonesia) | ... offering medical and general education on the topic of circumcision, about which there is still insufficient awareness throughout Europe. The website is directed towards men as helpful guidance whether to choose circumcision for themselves. This support is also intended for parents whenever circumcision is being considered for their children as preventive measure or by medical necessity. EURO CIRC aims at all times to provide education on sound scientific basis. | German website with sections in German and English. It appears to be aimed at Germans and more broadly at other Europeans. |
Circumcision advocate pages on Facebook
This incomplete list shows some Facebook pages and their own "claims" quoted from their info pages:
- "Parody page"
- "Correcting intactivist LIES"
- Circumcision Choice, administered by Andrew Gross
- "This page will provide information on circumcision and expose the malevolent actions of anti-circumcision fanatics."
- "Health benefits from circumcising are leading medical organizations to recommend circumcision."
- "Due to several anti-circumcision extremists spreading lies and fear about infant circumcision, I decided to create this group to get the real truth on circumcision out. There are both pros and cons to circumcision and both should be known and should be discussed without hatred and shaming, which is what the anti-circumcision extremists do. I also want to expose the extremists method of operation so that their shaming and degrading doesn't keep parents from making a fully informed decision about circumcision."
- "This page is devoted to exposing the anti-Semitic roots of intactivism."
- "Since Facebook does not want to take down Mutilation Watch, a horrible bully page, we have decided to give those folks a taste of their own medicine."
It is striking that the choice of words is often quite aggressive and full of ad hominem attacks, intactivists are referred to often as liars, etc. At first glance, groups like The Antisemitic Roots of Intactivism seem to be important, since intactivists don't tolerate anti-Semitism of course, too. But groups whose names already imply that intactivism is fundamentally anti-Semitic disqualify themselves from the outset as being biased.
Most of these pages are run anonymously, while e.g. "REAL Circumcision Truths." seems to be a covered advertising page from mohel Hayim Leiter who does all the contribution.
No choice for human rights violations
The approach of all websites and pages listed here, that it is reliably a parental choice whether to have a healthy child's healthy foreskin amputated without medical indication for any reason, disregards the legal fact that there is no choice as to whether or not to commit human rights abuses. Medically not indicated amputation of any part of a child's body is illegal by definition and cannot be legalized by parental agreements. Therefore, all information on these websites and pages should be viewed as fundamentally critical, if not as a call for human rights violations.
Adler (2022) layed out in his comprehensive legal treatise Circumcision Is A Fraud: And The Coming Legal Reckoning: There is no legal basis for parents to consent to the irreversible amputation of healthy parts of their children's bodies without a compelling and urgent medical indication.
See also
References
- ↑
(22 August 2020). German intactivist projects deceitful and bullying tactics
. Retrieved 23 August 2022. - ↑ (10 July 2021).
IntactiWiki creates a page dedicated to me
. Retrieved 23 August 2022. - ↑ (27 July 2020).
IntactiWiki accuses me of inflicting trauma on babies
. Retrieved 23 August 2022.
