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During the original audience, Gillen ignored medical expert Charles Flack's argument that C.R.N.H. had no medical need for [[circumcision]], that he wouldn't circumcise a son at that age, instead promoting dubious arguments of benefits, indicating in the ruling: '"that penile cancer occurs only in [[uncircumcised]] males and [[uncircumcised]] males have a higher risk of [[HIV]] infection than [[circumcised]] males. He further testified that the procedure last lasts only 17 minutes and patients experience little post-operative discomfort and few recovery problems. Finally, he testified that performing the procedure on boys up to 10 years of age is medically acceptable, the concern being that with older boys who have reached puberty, an [[erection]] could cause [[Wound dehiscence| tears in the sutures]]."'<ref>{{REFweb