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}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Little-mickey-h-a-norbury-lad-r.pdf Archive (2012-04-21)]</ref> who were from Henley Gardens, Upper Norwood, England.<ref name="pedophile"/> He was employed as a sacristan and server for the Order of Malta's Mass (Roman Catholicism).<ref name="malta"/> Quaintance is a [[Circlist]] moderator (a private group that shares child circumcision pornography),<ref>[[Circlist]] -- See article for further evidence and citations</ref> head of the [[Gilgal Society]] (another private group that shares circumcision pornography),<ref>[[Gilgal Society]] -- See article for further evidence and citations</ref> a member of the [[Acorn Society]],<ref>{{REFweb
| last=Quaintance | first=Vernon | date=Sep. 2001 | title=One Man's Account of His Adult Circumcision | url=http://www.circinfo.com/an_account.html | publisher=Gilgal Society | website=Acorn Society Magazine | accessdate=2011-04-27
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Acorn_Mag_-_Circ_Account.pdf Archive (2011-05-20)]</ref> owner of infocirc.com,<ref name="domain-infocirc">{{REFweb
| last= | first= | date=2000-10-04 | title=Whois Record For InFocIrc.com | url=http://whois.domaintools.com/infocirc.com | publisher=DomainTools | accessdate=2011-03-13
}}</ref> gilgalsociety.org,<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Who_is_infocirc.pdf Archive (2011-05-20)]
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| last= | first= | date=2000-10-04 | title=Whois Record For GilgalSoc.org | url=http://whois.domaintools.com/gilgalsoc.org | publisher=DomainTools | accessdate=2011-03-13
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Who_is_gilgalso.pdf Archive (2011-05-20)]</ref> and a writer of erotic circumcision porn (including graphic descriptions of circumcising young boys while others masturbate).<ref>http://en.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=Gilgal_Society#Gilgal_Porn</ref> On April 11th 2011, Quaintance was arrested after having been caught with a hoard of child porn.<ref name="pedophile">{{REFnews
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There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.<ref>Christopher P Price. Male Non-therapeutic circumcision: The Legal and Ethical Issues. In Male and Female Circumcision, Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (Denniston GC, Hodges FM and Milos MF eds.) New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 1999: 425-454. http://www.cirp.org/library/legal/price2/</ref> Quaintance is one of these individuals.<ref>{{REFweb
| last=Quaintance | first=Vernon | date=1996 | title=One Man's Account of His Adult Circumcision | url=http://www.circinfo.com/an_account.html | publisher=Gilgal Society | accessdate=2011-05-22
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[[Image:Gilgal.jpg|thumb|Logo is a smoke trail from burning foreskins (biblical).]]
The Gilgal Society (headed by Quaintance) is a UK-based not-for-profit organization administered by Quaintance.<ref>{{REFweb
| last= | first= | date= | title=WHOIS information for gilgalsoc.org | url=http://www.whois.net/whois/gilgalsoc.org | publisher=WhoIS.net | accessdate=2011-04-27
}}</ref> Gilgal is Hebrew for "hill of foreskins."<ref>{{REFweb
| last= | first= | date= | title=Gilgal | url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgal | publisher=Wikipedia | accessdate=2011-04-27
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[[Image:Circ-Ethnomedical-Study.gif|right|thumb|Gilgal Circumcision Porn Book]]
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| Title=Published by The Gilgal Society | Text=He had not reached puberty but soon would: a few hairs were starting to grow at the base of his penis. Neil was then asked to lie on the couch for the penis to be photographed. ...the doctor tested the fit of two sizes of Gomco Clamp bell. During this procedure Neil erected, but was not embarrassed by it and made no attempt to hide it.
Mark came in next and again dropped his trousers readily. He had reached puberty and was quite well developed. ... Its like an elephants trunk was the doctors comment, to which Mark heartily agreed. ... Photographs of his penis were taken...
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| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Gilgal_porn.pdf Case histories and experiences of circumcision. ''Circumcision: An Ethomedical Study'' (p.191). Gilgal Society.]</ref>
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Gilgal offers a circumcision VHS tape that you can order from their website. It is "unlabelled to allow your own discretion on labeling".<ref name="video">{{REFweb
| last=Quaintance | first=Vernon | date= | title=Adult Circumcision Video | url=http://www.gilgalsoc.org/publications/acv.html | publisher=Gilgal Society | accessdate=2011-03-11
}} Archive: [[File:Gilgal Video.pdf]]</ref> Quaintance has additionally been caught by local officials with at least 3 VHS tapes that include 7-9 hours of child pornography.<ref name="pedophile"/>
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| Title=Chapter 7: Let me take you by the hand. (Part 1)<br>Towards Norbury Central | Text=[…] my nemesis, Vernon Quaintance […] ran the computer demonstrations there and never went back. | Author=Harper, M. | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.authonomy.com/books/20510/little-mickey-h-a-norbury-lad/read-book/?chapterid=194970 Harper, M. (2010). Little Mikey H - A Norbury Lab. ''Towards Norbury Central.''] [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Little-mickey-h-take-you-by-the-hand.pdf Archive]</ref>
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| Title=Chapter 12: In the presence of the Lord.<br>Altar Boy | Text=We usually served on the altar with the same group of boys, some of whom normally served at other services but would occasionally join us. […] Vernon Quaintance (brother of Veronica who had driven Gill and me part of the way to the school coach stop many years before) […]<br><br>Generally the older boys/men would be awarded these privileges [Ringing the communion bell and other activities]. Once one had been an altar boy for a considerable while, one would be inducted into the guildof altar servers, the Archconfraternity of St Stephen […]<br><br>
<span style="background:#fff799">My altarboyship has one particularly grim memory, one that left an extremely unpleasant (though fortunately not literally) taste in the mouth. No one except Vernon Quaintance and me know the full facts (until now!) though some may have an inkling of what might have happened based on a later similar occurrence.
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As an altar server, Vernon, who was much older than most of us, maybe in his late twenties or early thirties,</span> and only beaten by Mr Cowie in terms of age, <span style="background:#fff799">possessed a most solemn and holy air on the altar and strongly disapproved of any of us younger boys messing about. This air of solemnity was enhanced by a long face and aquiline nose, though on opening his mouth, one could see tranches of rotten teeth.
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One Saturday morning when I was perhaps eleven years old, Vernon called at our house enquiring if I would like to go out for a drive that afternoon. Clearly held in respect by my parents, they could see nothing wrong with me going for a drive with Vernon and neither could I.</span> And so, <span style="background:#fff799">that afternoon, perhaps around 3pm, Vernon picked me up in his purple Austin Allegro</span> and drove in the general direction of Box Hill in Surrey. After some time during which amongst other things, he commented on the metal ‘Scorpio’ ring (signifying my astrological persuasion – not that it meant anything to me, I just thought that it looked ‘cool’) that I frequently wore, <span style="background:#fff799">the conversation turned slightly seedier.</span>
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<span style="background:#fff799">Having pulled over into a secluded car park somewhere in the woods near Box Hill, he told me a joke about two soldiers square- bashing (i.e. drill on a barracks square). I don’t recall the exact nature of the joke but the punch line involved some confusion between castration and circumcision. He then asked me if I knew what a circumcision was, to which I replied ‘No’. He then explained what it was. It sounds dumb to say it but somehow, he made it seem ok for me to show him my willy, and seemed interested in determining how far I could pull my foreskin back, even gently trying to do so himself. Being only a young boy, I could hardly do so, but he said that if I kept trying, I would soon be able to. He then asked if I wanted to see an example of a circumcision, which I understood to mean that he wanted to show me his willy. Having already realized that this was not appearing to be as innocent a car ride as it had at first seemed, but until that point not being able to see an easy way out, I blurted out that I had told my Mum that I would be going to confession that day and so, had to get back. Fortunately, perhaps due to the mention of church, he didn’t pursue the issue and drove me back to St Barts where confession was still in progress late on that Saturday afternoon.
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I didn’t tell anyone what had happened, but I felt horrified, sickened and used and if I have made you uncomfortable, dear reader, I hope you may have a notion of how I felt about this for quite a while. Having realized what a creep Vernon was, when he popped round some weeks later and asked whether I wanted to go out for another drive, I quickly declined with the excuse that I was going into Croydon that afternoon. A few weeks later still, he tried again, and hawking the same excuse, I think he finally got the message and never bothered me again.</span>
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Some thoughts and questions arise from this whole sordid issue:
*Firstly, why me? Or <span style="background:#fff799">was I simply one of a long string of boys that Vernon duped? Based on later evidence, almost certainly…</span>*Secondly, it surprises me that children (and indeed their parents) can be duped in this way. <span style="background:#fff799">I’m fairly bright but still succumbed to Vernon’s persuasion.</span> Therefore I am inclined to think that generally, children implicitly trust adults, especially those who are involved with the church, and do not expect to be taken advantage of. Adults who prey on this trust should be punished.*Thirdly, when I declined his further invitations, <span style="background:#fff799">was he worried that I would shop him to the police? For how long would he have desisted, before being tempted again?</span>*Fourthly, <span style="background:#fff799">did he feel guilty after these events?</span> Did he go home and toss himself off or kneel down and flagellate himself to excise his guilt?*Fifthly and simply, what kick do paedophiles get out of messing with young children?<br>
<span style="background:#fff799">A few years later, I understand that Vernon was shopped to the police by the parents of Anthony Vassallo, a younger altar boy. I guess that this information became generally public. Following this, Vernon no longer served on the altar but could be seen sitting near the front of the pews as unsmilingly solemn and devout as ever. That must have been an interesting interview, when he would have had to relinquish his status, perhaps having to admit that he was a perv.</span> I guess that Mum and Dad and probably some/most/all of my siblings became aware of his fall from grace too and the reasons for it, but none of them ever raised the subject with me. If they did know, they must have been scared of what they might hear or else perhaps they felt that I was dealing with it in my own way, which I eventually did. If my parents did know, or suspect, then they let me down. They should have raised it with me to make sure I was okay. Who wouldn’t want to protect their child from something like this? While I didn’t let it get to me too much, I felt sick at the time for being taken advantage of. As the years passed, it affected me less and less as time went on until by the time I reached my late teens, I had put it down to experience. It certainly contributed to my withdrawal from the church, that there could be such unchristianness in a person who was perceived by all of us to be one of the most devout.
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There are lots of things that can mess children up and this sequence of events haunted me for a long time, during which I didn’t feel I could tell anybody. Nowadays, it seems all too regular that paedophiles are being outed by their victims, but <span style="background:#fff799">I bet that there are many, many, many cases that never come to light. I hate to imagine that this could happen to my own children and that they would not feel able to tell me.</span>
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As a coda to this episode, <span style="background:#fff799">it should be noted that some years after, Vernon could be found in the local library teaching rudimentary computing to…wait for it…children! I guess that this would have been before the ‘Sex Offenders Register’ was inaugurated, but I do wonder how many of this new source of young flesh he managed to work his way through before he was again caught, if he ever was. I would like to think that if I saw him again, performing any similar role, that I could shop him to the authorities</span> (probably anonymously so that I wouldn’t have to potentially face him in court) and ruin his career and his life as he could have ruined mine. I don’t know if he is still following his sordid urges, but if he is, I hope the young children that he is grooming have the good sense to stick razor blades up their bottoms.
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Frankly in my opinion, any grown man found guilty of messing about with young children should have their tackle whipped off. Very plain and simple. Removing a dog’s gonads curbs its sexual urges, but dogs don’t menace young children (at least not sexually), so a stronger punishment/deterrent is required for us intelligent beings. Quite simply, grown men who should be able to exercise some restraint should lose both their dick and balls. Painfully? Maybe, if they have been particularly evil, but at least remove their desire to prey on youngsters. […]
| Author= | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.authonomy.com/books/20510/little-mickey-h-a-norbury-lad/read-book/?chapterid=194978 Harper, M. (2010). Little Mikey H - A Norbury Lab. ''Altar Boy.''] [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Little-mickey-h-a-norbury-lad-r.pdf Archive]</ref>
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| Title=Chapter 15: have you seen the writing on the wall? (Part 3)<br>Fourth Year – 4.3 (Sep 1979 – Jul 1980) | Text= […] Sometime towards the latter part of the school year, a second strange incident with paedophilic overtones occurred. As with the Vernon Quaintance incident, this has never been mentioned to anyone else. UNTIL NOW!!! […]
As with Vernon Quaintance five years earlier, the way the suggestion was couched made it appear an acceptable thing to do at the time. […]
[…] <span style="background:#fff799">I don’t hold Chris Wilshire in the same contempt as I held Vernon</span> […]
| Author=Harper, M. | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.authonomy.com/books/20510/little-mickey-h-a-norbury-lad/read-book/?chapterid=194982 Harper, M. (2010). Little Mikey H - A Norbury Lab. ''Fourth Year.''] [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Little-mickey-h-writing-on-the-wall.pdf Archive 3]</ref>
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| Title=FROM: [[Jake H. Waskett]]<br>TO: [[Vernon Quaintance]]<br>SUBJECT: Circed At Last! | Text=Hi Vernon
Thank you!
Regards,
Jake
| Author=[[Jake H. Waskett]] | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-30.pdf Yahoo Circlist. Message #26333, 2003 July 30th '''] [http://en.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=Jake_H._Waskett#2003_July_30th More Here]</ref>
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=== Newsgroup ===
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| Title=FROM: Vernon Quaintance <quainta...@oldpeter.agw.bt.co.uk><br>SUBJECT: Circumcision as an aid to speed swimming | Text=My nephew is 16 and a very good swimmer, representing his school and district in competitions. He keeps himself shaved for competitions to reduce the drag and now his coach has recommended that he get circumcised to further improve his performance. <span style="background:#fff799">Jake</span> is not averse to the idea of circumcision, but wonders how common this is as a speed aid. Does anyone have experience of swimming coaches advising circumcision? Anyone had it done to improve their own swimming? Does it work? Thanks.
Date: 20 Nov 1995 1:00am
| Author= | Source=rec.sport.swimming (13 Nov 1995 18:32:08 GMT)
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| Title=FROM: Vernon Quaintance <quainta...@oldpeter.agw.bt.co.uk><br>TO: Tina Johnson | Text=Tina Johnson commented that her 7 month old son had been circumcised at birth but still had a lot of foreskin left [...] Irrespective of whether the arguments in favour of circumcision are really valid or not they _could_ only be valid in the case of a complete circumcision where the whole glans and coronal rim are permanently exposed. [...] if you leave it till later then it will be even more painful and embarrassing for the boy. [...] <span style="background:#fff799">I know of several men who have chosen as adults to have a re-circumcision</span> [...] the partial circumcision your son received will not do the job properly and <span style="background:#fff799">you should seriously consider having it re-done</span> properly. | Author= | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JnU3SlLIpwMJ:groups.google.sh/group/misc.kids.health/tree/browse_frm/month/1995-07/0a7715d732bf6ff1%3Frnum%3D1%26_done%3D%252Fgroup%252Fmisc.kids.health%252Fbrowse_frm%252Fmonth%252F1995-07%253F+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a misc.kids.health (Jul 1 1995, 3:00 am)]</ref>
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=== Poetry ===
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| Title=Vernon Quaintance Writes Poetry | Text=''Decision''<br><br>
Some people claim that foreskins are fun<br>
And keep the 'muzzle' on the gun.<br>
If you make the choice that's always wise<br>
and do decide to circumcise.
| Author= | Source=Circumstitions| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.circumstitions.com/Schoens.html Quaintance. Quoted by [[Brian Morris]]. (2007, October). An old protector mandated: Circumcision ''HPV Today'' pp 12-13]</ref>
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=== Website ===
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| Title= | Text=Like the appendix, the foreskin is a remnant from our evolutionary past and now serves no essential purpose. Unlike the appendix, which is buried deep inside the abdomen, the foreskin is easily and safely removed as a preventative measure. | Author= | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.circinfo.com/questions/qga.html Quaintance, V. (2000). ''Questions girls ask about male circumcision.''] [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Quaintance_for_Girls.pdf Archive]</ref>
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| Title= | Text=An additional hazard of having a redundant foreskin is the ease with which it can get caught in a zipper. Many women complain of a lack of stimulation because a long or tight foreskin can stick to the walls of the vagina... | Author= | Source=| lang=| before=| after=| Transcription=| Translation= | ref=<ref>[http://www.circinfo.com/questions/qga.html Quaintance, V. (2000). ''Questions girls ask about male circumcision.''] [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Quaintance_for_Girls.pdf Archive]</ref>
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