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Jake H. Waskett is a [[Circlist]] member who, until June of 2012, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew used to spend a great deal of his time editing Wikipedia] to show a pro-circumcision bias.<ref>{{REFweb | Jake H. Waskett is a [[Circlist]] member who, until June of 2012, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew used to spend a great deal of his time editing Wikipedia] to show a pro-circumcision bias.<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last=Waskett | |last=Waskett | ||
| first=Jake H. | |first=Jake H. | ||
| date= | |date= | ||
| title=User contributions | |title=User contributions | ||
| url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew | |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew | ||
| publisher=Wikipedia | |publisher=Wikipedia | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-08 | |accessdate=2011-03-08 | ||
}}</ref><ref name="wikipedia profile">{{REFweb | }}</ref><ref name="wikipedia profile">{{REFweb | ||
| last=Waskett | |last=Waskett | ||
| first=Jake H. | |first=Jake H. | ||
| date= | |date= | ||
| title=User:Jakew | |title=User:Jakew | ||
| url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jakew | |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jakew | ||
| publisher=Wikipedia | |publisher=Wikipedia | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-08 | |accessdate=2011-03-08 | ||
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=File:En.wikipedia.org-wiki-User-Jakew.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> As of early 2011, Waskett made almost 14,000 edits, more than 1,275 edits to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision Circumcision article] alone (over twice as many edits to that article as the runner up, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avraham Avraham <sup>a.k.a. "Avi"</sup>]). Waskett's first edit to the article was on the 18th of October 2004, and his last edit was apparently in June of 2012. Waskett used to average about one edit every 1 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes and 21 seconds, for the Circumcision article.<ref>{{REFweb | }} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=File:En.wikipedia.org-wiki-User-Jakew.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> As of early 2011, Waskett made almost 14,000 edits, more than 1,275 edits to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision Circumcision article] alone (over twice as many edits to that article as the runner up, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avraham Avraham <sup>a.k.a. "Avi"</sup>]). Waskett's first edit to the article was on the 18th of October 2004, and his last edit was apparently in June of 2012. Waskett used to average about one edit every 1 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes and 21 seconds, for the Circumcision article.<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last= | |last= | ||
| first= | |first= | ||
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| title=Circumcision - Article revision statistics - X!'s tools | |title=Circumcision - Article revision statistics - X!'s tools | ||
| url=http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/articleinfo/index.php?article=Circumcision〈=en&wiki=wikipedia | |url=http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/articleinfo/index.php?article=Circumcision〈=en&wiki=wikipedia | ||
| publisher= | |publisher= | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-09 | |accessdate=2011-03-09 | ||
}}</ref> He is suspected of still editing Wikipedia under a different name to hide his identity. | }}</ref> He is suspected of still editing Wikipedia under a different name to hide his identity. | ||
Waskett is known to lurk in parenting forums and blogs, attempting to convince expectant parents to circumcise their children.<ref>{{REFweb | Waskett is known to lurk in parenting forums and blogs, attempting to convince expectant parents to circumcise their children.<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last=Butler | |last=Butler | ||
| first=Cristina | |first=Cristina | ||
| date=2011-04-15 | |date=2011-04-15 | ||
| title=Moms Talk: Is Circumcision Necessary? | |title=Moms Talk: Is Circumcision Necessary? | ||
| url=http://lilburn.patch.com/articles/moms-talk-is-circumcision-necessary | |url=http://lilburn.patch.com/articles/moms-talk-is-circumcision-necessary | ||
| publisher=Patch Network | |publisher=Patch Network | ||
| accessdate=2011-05-15 | |accessdate=2011-05-15 | ||
}}</ref><ref>{{REFweb | }}</ref><ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last=Schantz | |last=Schantz | ||
| first=Stacey | |first=Stacey | ||
| date= | |date= | ||
| title=MOMS & DADS TALK: Circumcision Gets Controversial | |title=MOMS & DADS TALK: Circumcision Gets Controversial | ||
| url=http://perryhall.patch.com/articles/moms-dads-talk-circumcision-gets-controversial?ncid=following_comment | |url=http://perryhall.patch.com/articles/moms-dads-talk-circumcision-gets-controversial?ncid=following_comment | ||
| publisher=Perry Hall Patch | |publisher=Perry Hall Patch | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-09 | |accessdate=2011-03-09 | ||
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Perryhall.patch.com-articles-moms-dads-talk-circumcision-gets-controversial-ncid%3Dfollowing_comment.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> | }} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Perryhall.patch.com-articles-moms-dads-talk-circumcision-gets-controversial-ncid%3Dfollowing_comment.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> | ||
There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction and about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.<ref>Christopher P Price. Male Non-therapeutic circumcision: The Legal and Ethical Issues. In Male and Female Circumcision, Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (Denniston GC, Hodges FM and Milos MF eds.) New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 1999: 425-454. http://www.cirp.org/library/legal/price2/</ref> Jake Waskett associates with these like-minded individuals, and participates in their activities.<ref>Google Circlist. Message, 2005 May 24th 12:06pm http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=Jake_H._Waskett#2005_May_24th</ref> Some call them [[circumfetish|Circumfetishists]].<ref>{{REFweb | There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction and about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.<ref>Christopher P Price. Male Non-therapeutic circumcision: The Legal and Ethical Issues. In Male and Female Circumcision, Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (Denniston GC, Hodges FM and Milos MF eds.) New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 1999: 425-454. http://www.cirp.org/library/legal/price2/</ref> Jake Waskett associates with these like-minded individuals, and participates in their activities.<ref>Google Circlist. Message, 2005 May 24th 12:06pm http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php?title=Jake_H._Waskett#2005_May_24th</ref> Some call them [[circumfetish|Circumfetishists]].<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last= | |last= | ||
| first= | |first= | ||
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| title=Frequently Used Expressions | |title=Frequently Used Expressions | ||
| url=http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary2.html | |url=http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary2.html | ||
| publisher=Circumstitions | |publisher=Circumstitions | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-09 | |accessdate=2011-03-09 | ||
}}</ref> | }}</ref> | ||
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== Wikipedia Edits == | == Wikipedia Edits == | ||
In the year 2010 alone, these are some of the articles Waskett edited:<ref>{{REFweb | In the year 2010 alone, these are some of the articles Waskett edited:<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last=Waskett | |last=Waskett | ||
| first=Jake H. | |first=Jake H. | ||
| date= | |date= | ||
| title=User contributions | |title=User contributions | ||
| url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew | |url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew | ||
| publisher=Wikipedia | |publisher=Wikipedia | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-09 | |accessdate=2011-03-09 | ||
}}</ref> | }}</ref> | ||
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS AIDS] | * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS AIDS] | ||
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* Jakew<ref name="wikipedia profile"/> | * Jakew<ref name="wikipedia profile"/> | ||
* Jakeww<ref>{{REFweb | * Jakeww<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| quote=Member Since March 2011 | |quote=Member Since March 2011 | ||
| last=Waskett | |last=Waskett | ||
| first=Jake | |first=Jake | ||
| publisher=The Huffington Post | |publisher=The Huffington Post | ||
| website=HuffPost Social News | |website=HuffPost Social News | ||
| date=2011-03 | |date=2011-03 | ||
| title=jakeww | |title=jakeww | ||
| url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/jakeww?action=profile | |url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/jakeww?action=profile | ||
| accessdate=2011-05-09 | |accessdate=2011-05-09 | ||
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.huffingtonpost.com-social-jakeww-action%3Dprofile.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref><ref>{{REFweb | }} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.huffingtonpost.com-social-jakeww-action%3Dprofile.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref><ref>{{REFweb | ||
| quote=Jakeww commented on Should all males be circumcised? | |quote=Jakeww commented on Should all males be circumcised? | ||
| last=Waskett | |last=Waskett | ||
| first=Jake | |first=Jake | ||
| publisher=Clarity Digital Group | |publisher=Clarity Digital Group | ||
| website=Examiner | |website=Examiner | ||
| date=2011-03 | |date=2011-03 | ||
| title=jakeww | |title=jakeww | ||
| url=http://www.examiner.com/user-jakeww | |url=http://www.examiner.com/user-jakeww | ||
| accessdate=2011-05-09 | |accessdate=2011-05-09 | ||
}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.examiner.com-user-jakeww.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref><ref>{{REFweb | }} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.examiner.com-user-jakeww.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref><ref>{{REFweb | ||
|quote=the notion that the glans loses sensitivity has long been disproven | |quote=the notion that the glans loses sensitivity has long been disproven | ||
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}} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.healthboards.com-boards-showthread.php-t%3D90777.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> | }} [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Www.healthboards.com-boards-showthread.php-t%3D90777.pdf Archive (2011-05-13)]</ref> | ||
* Jake77<ref>{{REFweb | * Jake77<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last= | |last= | ||
| first= | |first= | ||
| date=2011-12-07 | |date=2011-12-07 | ||
| title=Infant male circumcision is genital mutilation | |title=Infant male circumcision is genital mutilation | ||
| url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/dec/06/1?commentpage=7#comment-13622577 | |url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/dec/06/1?commentpage=7#comment-13622577 | ||
| publisher=The Guardian | |publisher=The Guardian | ||
| accessdate=2011-12-09 | |accessdate=2011-12-09 | ||
}}</ref> | }}</ref> | ||
* kalamus4<ref>Yahoo Circlist. [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-12-03.pdf Message #27642, 2003 Dec 9th 10:15am]</ref> | * kalamus4<ref>Yahoo Circlist. [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-12-03.pdf Message #27642, 2003 Dec 9th 10:15am]</ref> | ||
* HarmonySolo<ref>{{REFweb | * HarmonySolo<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| quote=I know exactly who he is. His name is Jake Waskett. He's a computer software engineer from northern England | |quote=I know exactly who he is. His name is Jake Waskett. He's a computer software engineer from northern England | ||
| last= | |last= | ||
| first=Paul | |first=Paul | ||
| publisher=YouTube | |publisher=YouTube | ||
| website=dirtymonkey151's Channel | |website=dirtymonkey151's Channel | ||
| date=2011-05-03 | |date=2011-05-03 | ||
| title=Big Brother UK Archive | |title=Big Brother UK Archive | ||
| url=http://www.youtube.com/user/dirtymonkey151 | |url=http://www.youtube.com/user/dirtymonkey151 | ||
| accessdate=2011-05-09 | |accessdate=2011-05-09 | ||
}}</ref><sup> (this user may not be Waskett, but instead someone who identified him—this is currently unknown)</sup> | }}</ref><sup> (this user may not be Waskett, but instead someone who identified him—this is currently unknown)</sup> | ||
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==== 2001 Dec 6th ==== | ==== 2001 Dec 6th ==== | ||
[[Image:Jake_Adequacy.PNG]]<ref>{{REFweb | [[Image:Jake_Adequacy.PNG]]<ref>{{REFweb | ||
| last=Rightmann | |last=Rightmann | ||
| first=Adam | |first=Adam | ||
| date=2001-10-06 | |date=2001-10-06 | ||
| title=Should we circumcize our boy? | |title=Should we circumcize our boy? | ||
| url=http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.10.31.23859.193.html#84 | |url=http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.10.31.23859.193.html#84 | ||
| publisher=Adequacy | |publisher=Adequacy | ||
| accessdate=2011-03-09 | |accessdate=2011-03-09 | ||
}} Archive: [[File:Jake at Adequacy (2001).pdf]]</ref> | }} Archive: [[File:Jake at Adequacy (2001).pdf]]</ref> | ||
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==== 2003 July 27th ==== | ==== 2003 July 27th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: Dear All | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: Dear All | ||
| Text=I've been on the list for some time, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">enjoying</span> reading the messages. | |Text=I've been on the list for some time, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">enjoying</span> reading the messages. | ||
Six days ago, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">I finally got circumcised</span> by Dr. Zarifa of London. he was very | Six days ago, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">I finally got circumcised</span> by Dr. Zarifa of London. he was very | ||
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Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-27.pdf Message #26279, 2003 July 27th 4:00am]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-27.pdf Message #26279, 2003 July 27th 4:00am]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2003-07-27.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-27.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2003-07-27.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-27.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2003 July 30th ==== | ==== 2003 July 30th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake Waskett<br>TO: [[Vernon Quaintance]] <small>''(moderator of [[Circlist|Circlist]], head of the [[Gilgal Society]])''</small><br>SUBJECT: Circed at last | |Title=FROM: Jake Waskett<br>TO: [[Vernon Quaintance]] <small>''(moderator of [[Circlist|Circlist]], head of the [[Gilgal Society]])''</small><br>SUBJECT: Circed at last | ||
| Text=Hi Vernon | |Text=Hi Vernon | ||
Thank you! | Thank you! | ||
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Regards, | Regards, | ||
Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-30.pdf Message #26333, 2003 July 30th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-30.pdf Message #26333, 2003 July 30th]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2003-07-30.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-30.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2003-07-30.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-07-30.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2003 Oct 26th ==== | ==== 2003 Oct 26th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: Dear All | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: Dear All | ||
| Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">"For those of you who don't remember, I'm a 26 year old English guy. I was circumcised by Dr. Zarifa on the 21st of July, receiving a high & tight circumcision.</span> | |Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">"For those of you who don't remember, I'm a 26 year old English guy. I was circumcised by Dr. Zarifa on the 21st of July, receiving a high & tight circumcision.</span> | ||
<span style="background:#d7f5ff">Last time I wrote, I had a slight infection.</span> This of course cleared up quickly, and my penis had essentially healed at about week 6. Around this time also, most of the swelling had gone. The swelling has continued to disappear, leaving just a few slight 'bumps' under the incision, particularly where the skin parted slightly and the scar is wider. There is also a slight ridge following the line of the rim of the glans, but about a quarter inch away under the inner foreskin remnant. This too seems to be going, but very slowly. Did anyone else experience that ridge? | <span style="background:#d7f5ff">Last time I wrote, I had a slight infection.</span> This of course cleared up quickly, and my penis had essentially healed at about week 6. Around this time also, most of the swelling had gone. The swelling has continued to disappear, leaving just a few slight 'bumps' under the incision, particularly where the skin parted slightly and the scar is wider. There is also a slight ridge following the line of the rim of the glans, but about a quarter inch away under the inner foreskin remnant. This too seems to be going, but very slowly. Did anyone else experience that ridge? | ||
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Regards, | Regards, | ||
Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-10-26.pdf Message #27182, 2003 Oct 26th 5:46pm]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-10-26.pdf Message #27182, 2003 Oct 26th 5:46pm]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2003-10-26.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-10-26.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2003-10-26.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-10-26.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2003 Nov 3rd ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 3rd ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: CircumcisR@h...<br>TO: Jake | |Title=FROM: CircumcisR@h...<br>TO: Jake | ||
| Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">Some of us who do get erotic and sexual gratification out of not only the finished product, but also the procedure itself.</span> The act of becoming a man is just as important as the bare head he shows. | |Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">Some of us who do get erotic and sexual gratification out of not only the finished product, but also the procedure itself.</span> The act of becoming a man is just as important as the bare head he shows. | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27370, 2003 Nov]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27370, 2003 Nov]</ref> | |||
}} | }} | ||
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==== 2003 Nov 4th ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 4th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Vintrest@y...<br>TO: Jake | |Title=FROM: Vintrest@y...<br>TO: Jake | ||
| Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">As for the fact that some people find the rite of circumcision erotic, some do.</span> The fact that it involves a surgical procedure on the penis, which permanently alters its appearance | |Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">As for the fact that some people find the rite of circumcision erotic, some do.</span> The fact that it involves a surgical procedure on the penis, which permanently alters its appearance | ||
</span> has feeling<span style="color:#ff0000"></span> <span style="background:#d7f5ff">understandably may cause erotic feelings in some men</span>. | </span> has feeling<span style="color:#ff0000"></span> <span style="background:#d7f5ff">understandably may cause erotic feelings in some men</span>. | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27399, 2003 Nov]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27399, 2003 Nov]</ref> | |||
}} | }} | ||
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==== 2003 Dec 25th ==== | ==== 2003 Dec 25th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Rodjarrell@a<br>TO: Jake | |Title=FROM: Rodjarrell@a<br>TO: Jake | ||
| Text=I was cut at birth but I have lots of excess skin. Actually, when I'm seated, the skin fully covers my penis head. <span style="background:#d7f5ff">I'd like to get cut again, but I'd like to make it an erotic experience with either a female doctor or at least I'd like to have one or two female nurses do the prep. Any suggestions?</span> | |Text=I was cut at birth but I have lots of excess skin. Actually, when I'm seated, the skin fully covers my penis head. <span style="background:#d7f5ff">I'd like to get cut again, but I'd like to make it an erotic experience with either a female doctor or at least I'd like to have one or two female nurses do the prep. Any suggestions?</span> | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27849, 2003 Dec 25th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003_Oct-Nov.pdf Message #27849, 2003 Dec 25th]</ref> | |||
}} | }} | ||
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==== 2003 Nov 16th ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 16th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Daniel King | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Daniel King | ||
| Text=Are we as the pro-circumcision community doing enough to combat this propaganda? Can we do more? For myself, I'm not troubled by the honest information - hey everything has disadvantages, after all - but the hate-fuelled nonsense and confused thinking that is so commonly seen, then the apparently intentional deception that is I think justified in their minds by the well-meaning belief that they are doing it for a good cause. <span style="background:#d7f5ff">Just like those who tried Galileo.</span> | |Text=Are we as the pro-circumcision community doing enough to combat this propaganda? Can we do more? For myself, I'm not troubled by the honest information - hey everything has disadvantages, after all - but the hate-fuelled nonsense and confused thinking that is so commonly seen, then the apparently intentional deception that is I think justified in their minds by the well-meaning belief that they are doing it for a good cause. <span style="background:#d7f5ff">Just like those who tried Galileo.</span> | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-16.pdf Message #27362, 2003 Nov.]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-16.pdf Message #27362, 2003 Nov.]</ref> | |||
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==== 2003 Nov 17th ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 17th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: skinnedalive03<br>TO: Jake<br>SUBJECT: Fwd re: re: Am I the only one? | |Title=FROM: skinnedalive03<br>TO: Jake<br>SUBJECT: Fwd re: re: Am I the only one? | ||
| Text=This belongs in circlist, too. | |Text=This belongs in circlist, too. | ||
Thanks guys | Thanks guys | ||
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<span style="background:#d7f5ff">"You people are a disgusting bunch of paedophiles"</span> | <span style="background:#d7f5ff">"You people are a disgusting bunch of paedophiles"</span> | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-17.pdf Message #27383, 2003 Nov 17th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-17.pdf Message #27383, 2003 Nov 17th]</ref> | |||
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==== 2003 Nov 19th ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 19th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Midnight Cowboy<br>TO: Jake | |Title=FROM: Midnight Cowboy<br>TO: Jake | ||
| Text=An older and wiser fox steps forward. 'We are glad that it was convenient for you to cut off your own tail,' he says. 'However, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">we are not so convinced that you would try to convince us to part with our ''tails'' if there were any chance of ever recovering your own.'"</span> | |Text=An older and wiser fox steps forward. 'We are glad that it was convenient for you to cut off your own tail,' he says. 'However, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">we are not so convinced that you would try to convince us to part with our ''tails'' if there were any chance of ever recovering your own.'"</span> | ||
"What in the world was old Aesop referring to?<p></p> | "What in the world was old Aesop referring to?<p></p> | ||
Midnight Cowboy | Midnight Cowboy | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-19.pdf Message #27424, 2003 Nov 19th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-19.pdf Message #27424, 2003 Nov 19th]</ref> | |||
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==== 2003 Nov 20th ==== | ==== 2003 Nov 20th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist | ||
| Text=0 circumcisions ... 13, or 14.13 % of total responses<p></p> | |Text=0 circumcisions ... 13, or 14.13 % of total responses<p></p> | ||
1 circumcisions ... 43, or 46.74 % of total responses<p></p> | 1 circumcisions ... 43, or 46.74 % of total responses<p></p> | ||
2 circumcisions ... 27, or 29.35 % of total responses<p></p> | 2 circumcisions ... 27, or 29.35 % of total responses<p></p> | ||
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6 circumcisions ... 2, or 2.17 % of total responses<p></p> | 6 circumcisions ... 2, or 2.17 % of total responses<p></p> | ||
7 circumcisions ... 0 | 7 circumcisions ... 0 | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-19.pdf Message #274** , 2003 Nov 20th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-11-19.pdf Message #274** , 2003 Nov 20th]</ref> | |||
}} | }} | ||
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==== 2003 Dec 9th ==== | ==== 2003 Dec 9th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Joe | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Joe | ||
| Text=I can't help but wonder how many anticircs eventually "grow out of it". Many of them know the implications of those of us who are circumcied by choice and know that it is better. That's why they hate us so much, I think. | |Text=I can't help but wonder how many anticircs eventually "grow out of it". Many of them know the implications of those of us who are circumcied by choice and know that it is better. That's why they hate us so much, I think. | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-12-03.pdf Message #27642, 2003 Dec 9th 10:15am]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2003-12-03.pdf Message #27642, 2003 Dec 9th 10:15am]</ref> | |||
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==== 2004 Jan 16th ==== | ==== 2004 Jan 16th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist | ||
| Text=he anti-circs don't seem to realize the damage they cause. In trying to stop RIC, they feel the need to say how amazing the foreskin is, so they quote all their figures about the blood vessels enough to go to Neptune and back (or whatever it is they claim this week) and so on -- all true I've no doubt, but they conveniently omit any kind of comparison to put it in perspective. Can you really blame someone who's perhaps a bit gullible, a bit immature, and (from my own observations) keen to find something to blame for their lousy life, if they take all this to heart | |Text=he anti-circs don't seem to realize the damage they cause. In trying to stop RIC, they feel the need to say how amazing the foreskin is, so they quote all their figures about the blood vessels enough to go to Neptune and back (or whatever it is they claim this week) and so on -- all true I've no doubt, but they conveniently omit any kind of comparison to put it in perspective. Can you really blame someone who's perhaps a bit gullible, a bit immature, and (from my own observations) keen to find something to blame for their lousy life, if they take all this to heart | ||
and figure that they missed out on this kind of 'sex organ of the gods'? | and figure that they missed out on this kind of 'sex organ of the gods'? | ||
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Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-01-16.pdf Message #28047, 2004 Jan 16th 10:15am]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-01-16.pdf Message #28047, 2004 Jan 16th 10:15am]</ref> | |||
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==== 2004 Sep 11th ==== | ==== 2004 Sep 11th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: circumcisediam<br>SUBJECT: Advice 4 sons | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: circumcisediam<br>SUBJECT: Advice 4 sons | ||
| Text=''circumcisediam wrote:'' | |Text=''circumcisediam wrote:'' | ||
''> hi, thank you for having me! i 24 and circumcised, i live un the uk with long''<p></p> | ''> hi, thank you for having me! i 24 and circumcised, i live un the uk with long''<p></p> | ||
''> term girlfriend and our 2 sons aged 3 years & 10 months and are debating having them''<p></p> | ''> term girlfriend and our 2 sons aged 3 years & 10 months and are debating having them''<p></p> | ||
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Jake (also in the UK). | Jake (also in the UK). | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo Circlist | |Source=Yahoo Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-09-11.pdf Message #31662, 2004 Sep 11th 4:20pm]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-09-11.pdf Message #31662, 2004 Sep 11th 4:20pm]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2004-09-11.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-09-11.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2004-09-11.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2004-09-11.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2005 May 24th ==== | ==== 2005 May 24th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: The Phoenix Arisen | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Circlist<br>SUBJECT: The Phoenix Arisen | ||
| Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">What a pleasure to see Circlist e-mails in my inbox again.</span> I'm pleased to see Google chosen. It would have been my choice. too. | |Text=<span style="background:#d7f5ff">What a pleasure to see Circlist e-mails in my inbox again.</span> I'm pleased to see Google chosen. It would have been my choice. too. | ||
Although nowadays there are other pro-circumcision mailing lists, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">Circlist will always be *the* pro-circumcision list, at least for me. It must mean something different to everyone, but I will never forget finding Circlist.</span> | Although nowadays there are other pro-circumcision mailing lists, <span style="background:#d7f5ff">Circlist will always be *the* pro-circumcision list, at least for me. It must mean something different to everyone, but I will never forget finding Circlist.</span> | ||
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Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Google Circlist | |Source=Google Circlist | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-05-24.pdf 2005 May 24th 12:06pm]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-05-24.pdf 2005 May 24th 12:06pm]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2005-05-24.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-05-24.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2005-05-24.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-05-24.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2005 Aug 22nd ==== | ==== 2005 Aug 22nd ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Procirc | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: Procirc | ||
| Text=I believe that the best strategy will be for the NHS - GPs especially, but also <span style="background:#d7f5ff">nurses and midwives - to work with the private system, discussing circumcision with prospective parents and then referring to a nearby private doctor to perform the procedure for a reasonable fee</span> (in the US, circumcision typically cost $50-$150, or about 30-120 English pounds. Private clinics could even operate within NHS hospitals, leasing space from the trust. | |Text=I believe that the best strategy will be for the NHS - GPs especially, but also <span style="background:#d7f5ff">nurses and midwives - to work with the private system, discussing circumcision with prospective parents and then referring to a nearby private doctor to perform the procedure for a reasonable fee</span> (in the US, circumcision typically cost $50-$150, or about 30-120 English pounds. Private clinics could even operate within NHS hospitals, leasing space from the trust. | ||
It won't happen tomorrow, but the religious circumcision clinics opened in the past (Leeds springs to mind) are a good precedent. | It won't happen tomorrow, but the religious circumcision clinics opened in the past (Leeds springs to mind) are a good precedent. | ||
Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo ProCirc | |Source=Yahoo ProCirc | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-08-22.pdf Message #4384, 2005 Aug 22nd 4:31am]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-08-22.pdf Message #4384, 2005 Aug 22nd 4:31am]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2005-08-22.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-08-22.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2005-08-22.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2005-08-22.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2006 Mar 10th ==== | ==== 2006 Mar 10th ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: RoundHeadsUK | |Title=FROM: Jake<br>TO: RoundHeadsUK | ||
| Text=As you know, I created it because of the behaviour of the owner of the other RHUK group. I see no reason to censor discussions here, nor to declare anything out of bounds (though I will delete and ban spammers, of course). If group decisions need to be made, anyone can always create a poll. | |Text=As you know, I created it because of the behaviour of the owner of the other RHUK group. I see no reason to censor discussions here, nor to declare anything out of bounds (though I will delete and ban spammers, of course). If group decisions need to be made, anyone can always create a poll. | ||
Many groups don't like discussion of infant circumcision here, because it's controversial. I think that's a mistake. as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy for it to be discussed and even debated here. | Many groups don't like discussion of infant circumcision here, because it's controversial. I think that's a mistake. as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy for it to be discussed and even debated here. | ||
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Jake | Jake | ||
| Author= | |Author= | ||
| Source=Yahoo RoundHeadsUK | |Source=Yahoo RoundHeadsUK | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2006-03-10.pdf Message #2, 2006 Mar 10th]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2006-03-10.pdf Message #2, 2006 Mar 10th]</ref> | |||
}} [[image:Waskett 2006-03-10.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2006-03-10.pdf]] | }} [[image:Waskett 2006-03-10.jpg|border|link=http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_2006-03-10.pdf]] | ||
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==== 2011 Jan 21st ==== | ==== 2011 Jan 21st ==== | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| Title= | |Title= | ||
| Text=I have no interest whatsoever in pushing for mutilation of babies. I'm not even interested in pushing for circumcision, which is a different matter. I'm pro-parental choice, and opposed to irrational anti-scientific nonsense, which is why I tend to argue with it a lot. | |Text=I have no interest whatsoever in pushing for mutilation of babies. I'm not even interested in pushing for circumcision, which is a different matter. I'm pro-parental choice, and opposed to irrational anti-scientific nonsense, which is why I tend to argue with it a lot. | ||
| Author=Waskett | |Author=Waskett | ||
| Source=[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_-_Current_Affairs_Opinion.pdf Archive] | |Source=[http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Waskett_-_Current_Affairs_Opinion.pdf Archive] | ||
|ref=<ref>[http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs-opinion/cultural-circumcision-not-really-on-is-it-006900-1 ''Cultural circumcision: Not really on, is it?'' (2011, January 15).]</ref> | |||
| ref=<ref>[http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs-opinion/cultural-circumcision-not-really-on-is-it-006900-1 ''Cultural circumcision: Not really on, is it?'' (2011, January 15).]</ref> | |||
}} | }} | ||
<small>'''NOTE:''' Waskett's quotes above this one contradict his motivations mentioned here.</small> | <small>'''NOTE:''' Waskett's quotes above this one contradict his motivations mentioned here.</small> | ||
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<ref name="patch cut or not">{{REFweb | <ref name="patch cut or not">{{REFweb | ||
| last=Gallagher | |last=Gallagher | ||
| first=Erin | |first=Erin | ||
| date=2011-05-20 | |date=2011-05-20 | ||
| title=To Cut Or Not To Cut, The Circumcision Question: Mom Talk | |title=To Cut Or Not To Cut, The Circumcision Question: Mom Talk | ||
| url=http://shorewood-il.patch.com/articles/to-cut-or-not-to-cut-the-circumcision-question-mom-talk | |url=http://shorewood-il.patch.com/articles/to-cut-or-not-to-cut-the-circumcision-question-mom-talk | ||
| publisher=Patch: Shorewood | |publisher=Patch: Shorewood | ||
| accessdate=2011-05-22 | |accessdate=2011-05-22 | ||
}} Archive (2011-05-21): http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Patch_-_To_cut_or_not_to_cut.pdf</ref> | }} Archive (2011-05-21): http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:Patch_-_To_cut_or_not_to_cut.pdf</ref> | ||
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