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* Attack ''ad hominem'', i.e. attack the discussion partner personally, not speaking about the topic (''ad rem''). | * Attack ''ad hominem'', i.e. attack the discussion partner personally, not speaking about the topic (''ad rem''). | ||
* Cite [[arguments pro circumcision]] that have long since been refuted. | * Cite [[arguments pro circumcision]] that have long since been refuted. | ||
− | * Claim that | + | * Claim that intactivists are not about children's rights. |
* Claim that intactivists are pedophiles. | * Claim that intactivists are pedophiles. | ||
* Denounce inactivists to their employer/organization/party as [[Anti-Semitism club|anti-Semites]], etc. | * Denounce inactivists to their employer/organization/party as [[Anti-Semitism club|anti-Semites]], etc. | ||
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* Give names. | * Give names. | ||
* Insist on [[arguments pro circumcision|circumcision myths]] which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies. | * Insist on [[arguments pro circumcision|circumcision myths]] which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies. | ||
− | * Call intactivism a "cult", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder". | + | * Call [[intactivism]] a "cult", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder". |
* Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments. | * Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments. | ||
* Send death threats. | * Send death threats. |
Revision as of 02:30, 13 November 2021
Circumcision advocate describes a person who vehemently advocates in favor of medically not necessary, non-therapeutic genital mutilation in children.
Some of these people are committed to their sexual fetish as individuals and influence e.g. information available online (example: Jake Waskett). Others work in groups and denounce, ridicule or stalk intactivists or spread myths that have long been refuted by science as arguments for circumcision.
There is reason to believe that many (perhaps most) circumcision advocates are actually victims of circumcision who suffer from denial of loss.
Contents
Contradiction in terms
Virtually all of the leading medical associations around the world agree that circumcision in children almost never has a medical indication. Nevertheless, it is significant that the circumcision advocates try again and again with sophistry and fallacious aurguments to pretend seriousness on the subject: They claim to take a "neutral" point of view and list the alleged advantages of genital mutilation alongside the disadvantages, although they regularly only touch on the latter, not but show that they want to describe them completely.
Since, according to the current state of science and medical ethics, there is no medical justification for foreskin amputation, there can be no advantages for the affected boy. Therefore, many circumcision advocates expose themselves to this allegedly "neutral" point of view from the outset.
True like Brian Morris on the other hand speak straight away: He e.g. has repeatedly called for circumcision to be made compulsory for all boys worldwide, and has claimed that the intact foreskin would be a great danger for boys.
Bullying techniques
Chances are that discussions about the MGM topic will culminate in an exchange of unkindness. There is no tendency to determine whether intactivists or circumcision advocates have started to escalate a discussion; people and situations are too different for that and each person has other trigger words on which to react. But there are samples which often repeat and are used by circumcision advocates mostly, especially when they can no longer stand up argumentatively.
Work in progress: The following information does not claim to be complete. More content will be added gradually.
- Accuse the opponent as being anti-Semitic.
- Accuse the opponent as being islamophob.
- Attack ad hominem, i.e. attack the discussion partner personally, not speaking about the topic (ad rem).
- Cite arguments pro circumcision that have long since been refuted.
- Claim that intactivists are not about children's rights.
- Claim that intactivists are pedophiles.
- Denounce inactivists to their employer/organization/party as anti-Semites, etc.
- Deny and make fun of personal experiences and sufferings from mutilated men.
- Distract from the topic.
- Focus on the child's penis, not on his human rights.
- Give names.
- Insist on circumcision myths which are already debunked and refuted by science or testimonies.
- Call intactivism a "cult", a "crazy world" or even a "mental disorder".
- Ridicule all arguments of the opponent, without counter arguments.
- Send death threats.
- Write private messages to the opponent with threatening or bullying content.
Circumcision advocate websites
This incomplete list shows websites and their own "claims" quoted from the websites:
Website | Maintainer | Claim | IntactiWiki comment |
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CircFacts.Org | N.N. | "Real Facts About Male Circumcision" | The website name suggests that there are verified facts ("real facts" is a tautology). In fact, the information there is highly selective and tendentious. |
circinfo.net | Brian J. Morris | Circumcision: An Evidence-Based Appraisal | This website is owned and maintained by circumfetishist Morris who seems to be the author of all articles on this website. |
Circumcision Choice | Andrew Gross | "supporting Choice NOT misinformation" | The website name suggests that people have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised. This does not apply to children who by definition are not capable of giving consent. Their reaction about being listed in this IntactiWiki article proves that they are indeed bullying intactivists.[1] |
CircumcisionAmerica | N.N. | Circumcision Academy of America - Medically Based Information on Male Circumcision | Seems to be created by the same people who also maintain CircumcisionInformation.com. |
CircumcisionInformation.com | N.N. | News and Information on all aspects involving Male Circumcision | English-language website that promotes male circumcision. It seems to be addressed to Americans and Canadians. It is linked to |
CircumInfo.dk | Jette Marianne Møller | "Afbalanceret, videnskabeligt baseret information om rituel omskæring af drenge" (English: Balanced, scientifically based information on ritual circumcision of boys) |
The website claims to provide neutral information about male circumcision, but leaves no doubt that the posts are biased in favor of circumcision and ridicule intactivists and scientific arguments against circumcision. They seem mainly focused on silencing Morten Frisch. |
EURO CIRC | Guntur Maulana (Jakarta, Indonesia) | ... offering medical and general education on the topic of circumcision, about which there is still insufficient awareness throughout Europe. The website is directed towards men as helpful guidance whether to choose circumcision for themselves. This support is also intended for parents whenever circumcision is being considered for their children as preventive measure or by medical necessity. EURO CIRC aims at all times to provide education on sound scientific basis. | German website with sections in German and English. It appears to be aimed at Germans and more broadly at other Europeans. |
Circumcision advocate pages on Facebook
This incomplete list shows some Facebook pages and their own "claims" quoted from their info pages:
- "Parody page"
- "Correcting intactivist LIES"
- Circumcision Choice, administered by Andrew Gross
- "This page will provide information on circumcision and expose the malevolent actions of anti-circumcision fanatics."
- "Health benefits from circumcising are leading medical organizations to recommend circumcision."
- "Due to several anti-circumcision extremists spreading lies and fear about infant circumcision, I decided to create this group to get the real truth on circumcision out. There are both pros and cons to circumcision and both should be known and should be discussed without hatred and shaming, which is what the anti-circumcision extremists do. I also want to expose the extremists method of operation so that their shaming and degrading doesn't keep parents from making a fully informed decision about circumcision."
- "This page is devoted to exposing the anti-Semitic roots of intactivism."
- "Since Facebook does not want to take down Mutilation Watch, a horrible bully page, we have decided to give those folks a taste of their own medicine."
It is striking that the choice of words is often quite aggressive and full of ad hominem attacks, intactivists are referred to often as liars, etc. At first glance, groups like The Antisemitic Roots of Intactivism seem to be important, since intactivists don't tolerate anti-Semitism of course, too. But groups whose names already imply that intactivism is fundamentally anti-Semitic disqualify themselves from the outset as being biased.
Most of these pages are run anonymously, while e.g. "REAL Circumcision Truths." seems to be a covered advertising page from mohel Hayim Leiter who does all the contribution.
See also
References
- ↑ (22 August 2020).
German intactivist projects deceitful and bullying tactics
. Retrieved 1 March 2021.