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| − | ''' | + | '''Edgar J. Schoen''' ({{LifeData|1925|2016}}) was a [[Circumcised doctors|circumcised American Physician]] and worked as a Clinical Professor in Pediatrics at the {{UNI|University of California, San Francisco|UCSF}}.<ref>{{REFweb |
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}}</ref> Schoen had a humorous poem about circumcision published in 1986.<ref name="schoen1986">{{REFjournal | }}</ref> Schoen had a humorous poem about circumcision published in 1986.<ref name="schoen1986">{{REFjournal | ||
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|author-link=Edgar J. Schoen | |author-link=Edgar J. Schoen | ||
|title=Ode to the Circumcised Male | |title=Ode to the Circumcised Male | ||
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|url=http://www.cirp.org/literature/schoen-ode.html | |url=http://www.cirp.org/literature/schoen-ode.html | ||
|accessdate=2019-10-11 | |accessdate=2019-10-11 | ||
| − | }}</ref> This may have contributed to his being appointed as chairman of the new AAP task force on circumcision. | + | }}</ref> This may have contributed to his being appointed as chairman of the new [[American Academy of Pediatrics]] (AAP) task force on circumcision. (The AAP is a [[medical trade association]] which is noted for its [[bias]] in favor of non-therapeutic [[circumcision]] from which its members hugely [[Financial incentive| profit]].) |
| − | In 1987, Schoen was appointed head of the Task Force on Circumcision by the American Academy of Pediatrics,<ref>''American Journal of Diseases in Children'', Vol 141: 128. February 1987</ref> where he pushed for routine, non-therapeutic infant circumcision, but the neonatologists on Schoen's committee wouldn't go for it. According to Schoen, not performing circumcision would be "taking us back to nineteenth-century medicine on the eve of the 21st century," and that circumcision will prevent "dermatological problems".<ref name="Slack">{{REFjournal | + | In 1987, Schoen was appointed head of the Task Force on Circumcision by the [[American Academy of Pediatrics]],<ref>''American Journal of Diseases in Children'', Vol 141: 128. February 1987</ref> where he pushed for "routine" (meaning without [[medical indication]]), non-therapeutic infant circumcision, but the neonatologists on Schoen's committee wouldn't go for it. According to Schoen, not performing circumcision would be "taking us back to nineteenth-century medicine on the eve of the 21st century," and that circumcision will prevent "dermatological problems".<ref name="Slack">{{REFjournal |
|last=Slack | |last=Slack | ||
|first=Gordy | |first=Gordy | ||
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|title=The Case For Circumcision | |title=The Case For Circumcision | ||
|journal=Express Online | |journal=Express Online | ||
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}}</ref> Schoen associates with the [[Gilgal Society]].<ref>http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFW-EN%200712-1.pdf</ref> | }}</ref> Schoen associates with the [[Gilgal Society]].<ref>http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFW-EN%200712-1.pdf</ref> | ||
| − | Schoen was the chair of the 1989 AAP | + | Schoen was the chair of the 1989 AAP task force on circumcision, which studied available data to consider recommending [[circumcision]] to parents. Schoen seized on very poor articles with methodological flaws by fellow circumfetisher [[Thomas E. Wiswell]] to advocate circumcision. The task force concluded that "Newborn circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages as well as disadvantages and risks".<ref>{{REFweb |
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| − | | url=http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/aap/#a1989 | + | |url=http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/aap/#a1989 |
| − | | title=AAP 1989 | + | |title=AAP 1989 |
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| − | }}</ref> This was despite their own admission that evidence linking circumcision to prevention of any diseases was inconclusive, with the sole exception of penile cancer (which they noted was mainly caused by unhealthy lifestyles). Given Schoen's history of circumcision advocacy and his position as | + | }}</ref> (''Potential'' means to exist in possibility but not in actuality, so a ''potential benefit'' is not a real benefit.) This was despite their own admission that evidence linking circumcision to prevention of any diseases was inconclusive, with the sole exception of penile cancer (which they noted was mainly caused by unhealthy lifestyles). Given Schoen's history of circumcision advocacy and his position as task force chair, he may have influenced the committee significantly. While the statement spoke glowingly of circumcision, it made no formal recommendation for circumcision, perhaps on advice of counsel. |
| − | The 1989 AAP circumcision statement was not well received. Professor Ronald Poland, M. D., another member of the AAP task force rejected Schoen's advocacy of non-therapeutic circumcision and published his own paper in which he argued against circumcision.<ref>{{REFjournal | + | The 1989 AAP circumcision statement was not well received. Professor Ronald Poland, M. D., another member of the AAP task force, rejected Schoen's advocacy of non-therapeutic circumcision and published his own paper in which he argued against circumcision.<ref>{{REFjournal |
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|title=The question of routine neonatal circumcision | |title=The question of routine neonatal circumcision | ||
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In 1999, the AAP revised their circumcision policy statement. Their newer statement was more conservative about circumcision's potential benefits, saying that they did not outweigh the procedure's own risks, and recommended leaving the decision to parents based on their cultural traditions, in addition to the medical factors.<ref>{{REFweb | In 1999, the AAP revised their circumcision policy statement. Their newer statement was more conservative about circumcision's potential benefits, saying that they did not outweigh the procedure's own risks, and recommended leaving the decision to parents based on their cultural traditions, in addition to the medical factors.<ref>{{REFweb | ||
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== Television == | == Television == | ||
| − | + | Schoen appeared in Penn & Teller's show, "Bullshit" for their [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672524/ circumcision episode]. Penn reported that Schoen said [[circumcised]] penises smell and look better.<ref>{{REFweb | |
| − | Schoen appeared in Penn & Teller's show, "Bullshit" for their [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672524/ circumcision episode]. Penn reported that Schoen said circumcised penises smell and look better.<ref>{{REFweb | + | |quote= |
| − | | quote= | + | |url=http://youtube.com?watch=vLGcqPE7xu0?t=7m50s |
| − | | url=http://youtube.com?watch=vLGcqPE7xu0?t=7m50s | + | |title=Penn & Teller on Circumcision |
| − | | title=Penn & Teller on Circumcision | + | |last= |
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| − | | date=2011-05-25 | + | |accessdate=2011-09-25 |
| − | | accessdate=2011-09-25 | + | }}</ref> Schoen later recited some poetry reflective of his belief that the [[circumcised]] penis is a thing of beauty: |
| − | }}</ref> Schoen later recited some poetry reflective of his belief that the circumcised penis is a thing of beauty: | ||
{{Citation | {{Citation | ||
| − | | Title=Schoen's Poetry | + | |Title=Schoen's Poetry |
| − | | Text=It's a great work of art like the statue of Venus | + | |Text=It's a great work of art like the statue of Venus |
if you're wearing a hat on the head of your penis. | if you're wearing a hat on the head of your penis. | ||
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| − | + | |ref=<ref>[http://youtube.com?watch=jI3oa4Mx9hs?t=50s kunavu. (2001, May 25). Penn & Teller on circumcision part 2.]</ref> | |
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<small>'''NOTE:''' The ''"hat"'' presumably referring to the visible glans.</small> | <small>'''NOTE:''' The ''"hat"'' presumably referring to the visible glans.</small> | ||
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=== Circlist === | === Circlist === | ||
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Schoen has been noted sending emails to and from the [[Circlist]] email list.<ref>Schoen, E. (2006, April 22). ''My recent circ pubs'' [Online Forum Comment]. Retrieved from http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCIRC/message/16 [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:MCIRC_-_Msg_16.pdf Archive]</ref> Circlist is a website and discussion group for men who sexually fantasize about performing and receiving circumcisions,<ref>[http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary2.html Ben Winkie. (2005, June) ''International Circumsexual Symposium'', Washington, D.C.]</ref> often on small children.<ref>{{REFbook | Schoen has been noted sending emails to and from the [[Circlist]] email list.<ref>Schoen, E. (2006, April 22). ''My recent circ pubs'' [Online Forum Comment]. Retrieved from http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCIRC/message/16 [http://pool.intactiwiki.org/index.php/File:MCIRC_-_Msg_16.pdf Archive]</ref> Circlist is a website and discussion group for men who sexually fantasize about performing and receiving circumcisions,<ref>[http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary2.html Ben Winkie. (2005, June) ''International Circumsexual Symposium'', Washington, D.C.]</ref> often on small children.<ref>{{REFbook | ||
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|title=Circumcision: An Ethomedical Study | |title=Circumcision: An Ethomedical Study | ||
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Schoen is also listed as approving content for a [[Gilgal Society]] brochure.<ref>{{REFbook | Schoen is also listed as approving content for a [[Gilgal Society]] brochure.<ref>{{REFbook | ||
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| − | }}</ref> Groups such as the [[Gilgal Society]] openly admit to a morbid fascination with circumcision to the point of sado-masochistic fetish. These groups advertise that doctors are among their members. There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction and about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.<ref>{{REFbook | + | }}</ref> Groups such as the [[Gilgal Society]] openly admit to a morbid fascination with [[circumcision]] to the point of sado-masochistic fetish. These groups advertise that doctors are among their members. There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being [[circumcised]], swap fiction and about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.<ref>{{REFbook |
|last=Price | |last=Price | ||
|first=Christopher P. | |first=Christopher P. | ||
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| + | |author-link=Christopher P. Price | ||
|year=1999 | |year=1999 | ||
|title=Male and Female Circumcision - Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice | |title=Male and Female Circumcision - Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice | ||
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== Office == | == Office == | ||
| − | + | Schoen's former office was in the Julia Morgan building on Broadway that houses [[Kaiser Permanente]]'s genetics department in San Fransico. Only a few yards from the home office of [[Daniel Halperin]], assistant professor of anthropology at UCSF's Center for AIDS Prevention Studies (CAPDS).<ref name="Slack"/> | |
| − | Schoen's office was in the Julia Morgan building on Broadway that houses [[Kaiser Permanente]]'s genetics department in San Fransico. Only a few yards from the home office of [[Daniel Halperin]], assistant professor of anthropology at UCSF's Center for AIDS Prevention Studies (CAPDS).<ref name="Slack"/> | ||
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| − | | Text=It’s like apple pie. It’s part of being American. | + | |Text=It’s like apple pie. It’s part of being American. |
| − | | Author=Schoen | + | |Author=Schoen |
| − | | Source=J Weekly | + | |Source=J Weekly |
| − | + | |ref=<ref>[http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/61692/both-sides-of-the-debate-two-jewish-doctors-offer-opinions-on-circumcision/ Pine. (2011-5-5). Both sides of the debate: Two Jewish doctors offer opinions on circumcision. ''J Weekly.'']</ref> | |
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}} | }} | ||
==Death== | ==Death== | ||
| − | Schoen died in his sleep, at the age of 91 on August | + | Schoen died in his sleep, at the age of 91 on 23 August 2016, surrounded by his family.<ref>{{REFweb |
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| + | * [[Alleged reasons for circumcision]] | ||
| + | * [[Bias]] | ||
| + | * [[Circumcised doctors]] | ||
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Edgar J. Schoen (1925 – 2016) was a circumcised American Physician and worked as a Clinical Professor in Pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco.[1] Schoen had a humorous poem about circumcision published in 1986.[2] This may have contributed to his being appointed as chairman of the new American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) task force on circumcision. (The AAP is a medical trade association which is noted for its bias in favor of non-therapeutic circumcision from which its members hugely profit.)
In 1987, Schoen was appointed head of the Task Force on Circumcision by the American Academy of Pediatrics,[3] where he pushed for "routine" (meaning without medical indication), non-therapeutic infant circumcision, but the neonatologists on Schoen's committee wouldn't go for it. According to Schoen, not performing circumcision would be "taking us back to nineteenth-century medicine on the eve of the 21st century," and that circumcision will prevent "dermatological problems".[4] Schoen associates with the Gilgal Society.[5]
Schoen was the chair of the 1989 AAP task force on circumcision, which studied available data to consider recommending circumcision to parents. Schoen seized on very poor articles with methodological flaws by fellow circumfetisher Thomas E. Wiswell to advocate circumcision. The task force concluded that "Newborn circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages as well as disadvantages and risks".[6] (Potential means to exist in possibility but not in actuality, so a potential benefit is not a real benefit.) This was despite their own admission that evidence linking circumcision to prevention of any diseases was inconclusive, with the sole exception of penile cancer (which they noted was mainly caused by unhealthy lifestyles). Given Schoen's history of circumcision advocacy and his position as task force chair, he may have influenced the committee significantly. While the statement spoke glowingly of circumcision, it made no formal recommendation for circumcision, perhaps on advice of counsel.
The 1989 AAP circumcision statement was not well received. Professor Ronald Poland, M. D., another member of the AAP task force, rejected Schoen's advocacy of non-therapeutic circumcision and published his own paper in which he argued against circumcision.[7]
In 1999, the AAP revised their circumcision policy statement. Their newer statement was more conservative about circumcision's potential benefits, saying that they did not outweigh the procedure's own risks, and recommended leaving the decision to parents based on their cultural traditions, in addition to the medical factors.[8]
Schoen's advocacy of circumcision had been thoroughly rejected prior to his death.[9]
Contents
Television
Schoen appeared in Penn & Teller's show, "Bullshit" for their circumcision episode. Penn reported that Schoen said circumcised penises smell and look better.[10] Schoen later recited some poetry reflective of his belief that the circumcised penis is a thing of beauty:
| “ | Schoen's Poetry It's a great work of art like the statue of Venus if you're wearing a hat on the head of your penis.[11] |
NOTE: The "hat" presumably referring to the visible glans.
Associates with
Circlist
Schoen has been noted sending emails to and from the Circlist email list.[12] Circlist is a website and discussion group for men who sexually fantasize about performing and receiving circumcisions,[13] often on small children.[14]
Gilgal Society
Schoen is also listed as approving content for a Gilgal Society brochure.[15] Groups such as the Gilgal Society openly admit to a morbid fascination with circumcision to the point of sado-masochistic fetish. These groups advertise that doctors are among their members. There are those on the Internet who discuss the erotic stimulation they experience by watching other males being circumcised, swap fiction and about it, and trade in videotapes of actual circumcisions.[16]
Office
Schoen's former office was in the Julia Morgan building on Broadway that houses Kaiser Permanente's genetics department in San Fransico. Only a few yards from the home office of Daniel Halperin, assistant professor of anthropology at UCSF's Center for AIDS Prevention Studies (CAPDS).[4]
Quote
| “ | Circumcision It’s like apple pie. It’s part of being American. – Schoen (J Weekly)[17] |
Death
Schoen died in his sleep, at the age of 91 on 23 August 2016, surrounded by his family.[18]
See also
References
- ↑
UCSF On-line Campus Directory: People Search
. Retrieved 27 May 2011. - ↑
Schoen EG. Ode to the Circumcised Male. Am J Dis Child. 1986; 141: 128. Retrieved 11 October 2019.
- ↑ American Journal of Diseases in Children, Vol 141: 128. February 1987
- ↑ a b Slack G. The Case For Circumcision. Express Online. 19 May 2000; Retrieved 3 October 2019.
- ↑ http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFW-EN%200712-1.pdf
- ↑ (1989).
AAP 1989
. Retrieved 18 March 2020. - ↑ Poland RL. The question of routine neonatal circumcision. N Engl J Med. 1990; 322: 1312-1315. PMID. DOI. Retrieved 11 October 2019.
- ↑
AAP 1999
. - ↑ Hill G, Geisheker JV. Edgar Schoen does not represent the North American view of male circumcision. Arch Dis Child. January 2006; 91(1): 92. PMID. PMC. Retrieved 23 October 2019.
- ↑ (25 May 2011).
Penn & Teller on Circumcision
, kunavu, YouTube. Retrieved 25 September 2011. - ↑ kunavu. (2001, May 25). Penn & Teller on circumcision part 2.
- ↑ Schoen, E. (2006, April 22). My recent circ pubs [Online Forum Comment]. Retrieved from http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCIRC/message/16 Archive
- ↑ Ben Winkie. (2005, June) International Circumsexual Symposium, Washington, D.C.
- ↑
Thomas A (2005): Case histories and experiences of circumcision
, in: Circumcision: An Ethomedical Study. Vernon Quaintance (ed.). Edition: 4. London, England: The Gilgal Society. P. 191.
Note: EMS-EN 0304-2 - ↑ Morris BJ (2007): Sex and circumcision: What every woman needs to know. Vernon Quaintance (ed.). London, England: Gilgal Society.
- ↑ Price CP (1999):
Male Non-therapeutic circumcision: The Legal and Ethical Issues
, in: Male and Female Circumcision - Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice. Denniston GC, Hodges FM, Milos MF (ed.). New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers. Pp. 425-454.
Note: Web version - ↑ Pine. (2011-5-5). Both sides of the debate: Two Jewish doctors offer opinions on circumcision. J Weekly.
- ↑
Obituary
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